You are free to believe that "homosexuality" is "sin," and I think you are wrong about that.
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You are free to believe that "homosexuality" is "sin," and I think you are wrong about that.Stop looking at it that way.
The ones who condemn you are the very same ones who are have logs in their own eyes (hypocrits). Don't worry about what people are saying or even think because there's not a heaven or a hell any of us can put you or anyone else in.
However, sin is still sin and homosexuality is sin, whether you believe that or not. Freedom and righteousness is not based on what we like/dislike or believe, but what is true. And what is true is God and every good thing about Him. It's up to us if we want to accept and follow that or not.
Besides, the kingdom of God isn't even about us. But you already know that, right?
I don't believe it's "sinful action," and there is no need to "rationalize it." Same-sex love, like opposite-sex love, is a beautiful thing, an expression of love that is given to us by God. We gay people should not have to defend living full lives simply because some other people have decided to label our love "sin." Our love is no different from love between opposite-sex spouses; both are love between committed spouses.Prof,
It's not about what people are doing/not doing in their bedrooms. It's about attempting to rationalize what we see as a sinful action, and as christians we are supposed to stop the spread of false doctrine.
Churches are changing on this question, and some are even splitting apart over it. Go to many progressive Christian churches, and you'll get a different perspective than you will at most conservative churches.I was referring to christians, theres no denying the feelings of the main denominations on the subject.
Once again, I'm not talking about society's view on homosexuality. I'm speaking of the Christian view. Every church I've been to (mostly protestant, some catholic) are in agreement that it is sinful, and I've never taken a poll but I am confident that the majority of churches throughout the denominations are in agreement.
From a completely secular standpoint I have no issue with homosexuality or gay marriage, as neither negatively effect my family or life.
It's about attempting to rationalize what we see as a sinful action
Unfortunately for your side of the argument, the vast majority is on the other side.
where is the biblical evidence backing these sexual actions?
But what about those who have spent alot of time on it, and come to the opposite conclusion as yourself?
I beg to defer, the Bible is God's Word, last I checked God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We change things to our liking, which is out of God's Will, which does not in any way make it right. These "progressive" churches are just an excuse to "change" things as seen fit to better fit people's lives. I can tell you, by the God I live for, He does and will not change and will and can not stand for that.Churches are changing on this question, and some are even splitting apart over it. Go to many progressive Christian churches, and you'll get a different perspective than you will at most conservative churches.
At one time, most Christian churches supported, or at least accepted, slavery. People pointed to the Bible to justify slavery, and there is plenty of pro-slavery material in the Bible. Today Christian beliefs have changed on that question, and no Christian that I know of supports slavery.
Christian beliefs change over time, and Christians disagree with each other on many questions, including this one.
No it isn't. Just because you like to cut things out of context and use them to justify your prejudice doesn't mean anyone else does.
artybloke said:and your protestations at not being prejudiced don't cut any ice, when you consistently refuse to look at the actual evidence and persist on accepting a bad translation and an out-of-context interpretation.
Take the log out of your own eye.
You are free to believe that "homosexuality" is "sin," and I think you are wrong about that.
Hi arty,
Unfortunately for your side of the argument, the vast majority is on the other side. Granted, many (or most, even) don't spend much, if any, time to try to fully grasp the biblical view of homosexuality. But what about those who have spent alot of time on it, and come to the opposite conclusion as yourself?
Even if one could pass off all the anti-same-sex sex on bad translations and ooc, where is the biblical evidence backing these sexual actions? And furthermore, if homosexuality was a valid God-given sexual orientation, why was it completely omitted? I've yet to find a passage along the lines of "for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father or mother and be united with his wife or husband, and they will become one flesh."
If someone believes that a person is proclaiming a sin as a blessing of God, then it is part of their Christian duty to attempt to correct this false teaching.
We all have logs and splinters, the problem is when we choose to either identify and repent of our sins or justify and defend them.
Why are some people so fixated on sex? Why do you care if a loving gay couple has sex in their own bedroom? It's no different from a loving heterosexual couple having sex in their own bedroom. And we have no business sticking our noses into the bedrooms of consenting adults.
Being gay is about loving our spouses, about creating and raising families. Sex is just one part of a much bigger relationship. It's no different from heterosexual relationships and families.
Prof,
It's not about what people are doing/not doing in their bedrooms. It's about attempting to rationalize what we see as a sinful action, and as christians we are supposed to stop the spread of false doctrine.
I choose my life. I choose what I believe. God gave us brains and the power to choose how to worship, how to understand him, how to grow in faith. Not everyone believes the Bible is the word of God. I don't believe it, and people insisting that it is won't change my thinking about this.I beg to defer, the Bible is God's Word, last I checked God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We change things to our liking, which is out of God's Will, which does not in any way make it right. These "progressive" churches are just an excuse to "change" things as seen fit to better fit people's lives. I can tell you, by the God I live for, He does and will not change and will and can not stand for that.
So live your life as you please, as you already doing, but God has the last say in this. And for us all, for all our lives, we'll be surprised in the end because I know you don't have it all figured out and neither do I. But God as my witness I do not support any "progressive" churches to better "modify" the Bible and what it says to better fit OUR lifestyles and NOT the Holiness. Holiness is a forgotten word, and is supplemented by progressive ideals and cute butterfly feelings.
It troubles me so many people do not want to live for Him, I can guarantee to you that if a gunman came into these "progressive" churches and at gun point said if you live for Christ line up and I'll shoot you all one by one, if not then leave. The church would empty, including with the Pastor. Progressiveness is not Godliness, its pure human corruption. To not follow His will and to chase "progressive" ideals and to change the Bible to one's liking, might as well be an atheist as they are already living as they please, only difference with this progressive nonsense, is that a feeling of fake security is associated with justifying shifty lies that "supposedly" can be translated from the Bible.
As for me, I serve Jesus Christ my Lord and I try to my best to follow HIS will and not my own. That's what it is about, Him and not YOU.
I'm sorry you lack faith in what it says, I just pray that you seek His Will and not substitute your own. Regardless I'll pray for you as my sister, God bless.I choose my life. I choose what I believe. God gave us brains and the power to choose how to worship, how to understand him, how to grow in faith. Not everyone believes the Bible is the word of God. I don't believe it, and people insisting that it is won't change my thinking about this.
The more I read about the origins of the Bible, the more convinced I am that the Bible is not and never has been the word of God. You have come to a different conclusion, and that's fine. We have to agree to disagree.
And I'll pray for you as well. We may hold different beliefs, but we are fellow human beings and fellow Christians.I'm sorry you lack faith in what it says, I just pray that you seek His Will and not substitute your own. Regardless I'll pray for you as my sister, God bless.
And I'll pray for you as well. We may hold different beliefs, but we are fellow human beings and fellow Christians.
I apologize but I am not understanding what you are trying to say.First of all, LogosRhema, last time I checked, Christ not the Bible is the only Word of God the Bible itself recognises. Secondly, your (inaccurate) interpretation of it is definitely not the Word of God. Do not assume that what seems obvious to you is obvious to anyone else.
Actually the "vast majority" does not believe that "homosexuality" is a "sin." Polls by Gallup show that a majority of Americans now say that "homosexuality is an acceptable alternative lifestyle." I personally do not like the wording of the question, as being gay is not a "lifestyle." But this is how Gallup has worded the question for years, and they examine how people's responses have changed or stayed the same over time.
The times they are a-changin', my friend, and there is no "vast majority" looking upon same-sex relationships as a "sin." The vast majority in your church may do so, but not in the wider society. No one in my church congregation looks upon same-sex marriage that way. We took a churchwide vote on welcoming gay people as we are, and the vote was unanimous in favor of welcoming gay people as we are: as gay people. And my church Association, the Unitarian Universalist Association, has long supported the right to same-sex marriage.
We have a bit a time left, but I do suggest prepare of persecution before He returns, it's on its way.I don't believe such a poll. The acceptance that we do see, however, is based on ignorance of the Word of God. So many people need Jesus, and are so easily swayed by the "Immoral Majority".
Yes, times are a-changin'. You haven't described a church--but rather a social club!
Get ready for the Tribulation, folks! Jesus is on His way to judge the world.
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