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It wasn't meant to be, it was meant to explain that I recognize the need for change, in myself, and for him to increase, and me to decrease.
Yes, I recognize changes I need to make in myself...this isn't one of them though!
 
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I cannot fathom how Christians can condone and participate in homosexuality and twist Scripture to fit their sinful desires.

Actually I can. The enemy comes as an angel of light and ears will be tickled.
 
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I cannot fathom how Christians can condone and participate in homosexuality and twist Scripture to fit their sinful desires.

Actually I can. The enemy comes as an angel of light and ears will be tickled.
I cannot fathom how Christians can condone and participate in discrimination and twist Scripture to fit their sinful desires.
 
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Leviticus also condemns the eating of shellfish, shaving, hair cutting, wearing clothing made of mixed fabrics, and attending church while wearing glasses. Leviticus also says slavery and killing your own child are acceptable things.
 
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Leviticus also condemns the eating of shellfish, shaving, hair cutting, wearing clothing made of mixed fabrics, and attending church while wearing glasses. Leviticus also says slavery and killing your own child are acceptable things.
Yes, let it be known that if you are wearing clothing of mixed fabrics...you are LIVING IN SIN according to Leviticus! It is the same abomination (Tow'ebah=ritual unclean).
 
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I cannot fathom how Christians can condone and participate in homosexuality and twist Scripture to fit their sinful desires.
I cannot fathom how Christians twist scripture to condone women in pants of mixed fibre who eat shellfish!
 
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Yes, let it be known that if you are wearing clothing of mixed fabrics...you are LIVING IN SIN according to Leviticus! It is the same abomination (Tow'ebah=ritual unclean).

Hey Dave,
Thought maybe you missed this post from another thread.

Lev 19:19
19Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.


John Gill's Exposition of the Bible:
thou shall not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind; or "cause [them] to gender" {e} for cattle do not usually of themselves gender with a diverse kind, unless directed and solicited to it, as a male of one kind with a female of another; for instance, an horse with a she ass, or an he ass with a mare, and even creatures that were like one another, yet of different kinds, were not to mix together; as a wolf and a dog, a hound and a fox, goats and roebucks, goats and sheep, a horse and a mule, a mule and an ass, an ass and a wild ass; for though they are like one another, they are of different kinds {f}: a creature thus gendered was not forbidden to be used, as a mule; and if a clean creature and gendered of clean ones, though of a different kind, it might be eaten, as Maimonides {g} affirms; for not the creature gendered was unlawful for use, but the act of causing to gender is what is forbidden: the design was to preserve the order of beings, and the nature of creatures as they were at the first creation; that there might be no change among them, or anything taken from or added to what God had made; not to separate what God had joined, or join what God had separated, which to do must reflect upon his wisdom; as also, that men and women, as Philo {h} observes, might abstain from unlawful converse, from unnatural lusts and mixtures;


I have to thank you EnemyPartyII, if you hadn't kept riding that very dead horse of shellfish and mixed clothes, I wouldn't have went back and studied it more.

In Lev 19:19, we see how cattle are not to be allow to gender with diverse kind. The design was to preserve the order of beings, and the nature of creatures as they were at the first creation; that there might be no change among them, or anything taken from or added to what God had made; not to separate what God had joined, or join what God had separated, which to do must reflect upon his wisdom; as also, that men and women, as Philo {h} observes, might abstain from unlawful converse, from unnatural lusts and mixtures;

Kind of fits in with what we are talking about, since cattle was to be preserved in the order of the first creation, don't you think God would even want man and woman to be the same as when first created?

As we see in the last part of verse 19 they are talking about the mixed fabrics that keep being brought up. We also see why it was wrong.

Lev 19:19(last part)
neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee; for, as Josephus {l} says, none but the priests were allowed to wear such a garment, and with which the Misnah {m} agrees; in which it is asserted, that the priests have no other clothing to minister in, in the sanctuary, but of woollen and linen;

Now we can see how some parts of Chapter 19 go along with Chapter 18, and we see the parts that don't.
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=32481821#post32481821
 
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My quick rehash of the shellfish debacle.
Link to more expanded version.
 
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Saved and happy, I don't doubt that there is a logical reason for saying that clothes of mixed fibre were abomination way back when, the POINT, is that we no longer consider it so NOW!

$10 says you are wearing a poly-cotton mix this very moment.

So... IF wearing mixed fibre is OK now, why not homosexuality?

Why do you get to pick and choose the bits of Leviticus you want to follow, but I don't?
 
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Aren't we all set apart by the Holy Spirit in Christ? Wasn't that the other side to the idea of the Levite priests?

 
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Aren't we all set apart by the Holy Spirit in Christ? Wasn't that the other side to the idea of the Levite priests?

It always struck me as odd, from reading the other post regarding slavery. Some christians will go to great lengths to massage the scripture to explain away why Slavery was deemed acceptable, but when it comes to Gay people they are quite Dogmatiic as to the authenticity and relevance of a few quotes made over 2000 years ago. It just does not sit right with me.
 
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All parties involved miss the point when debating the idea of slavery. The necessity of sin in homoeroticism goes right to the heart of what the marital covenant (and Christ's sacrifice on the cross as an indirect result) itself implies.
 
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All parties involved miss the point when debating the idea of slavery. The necessity of sin in homoeroticism goes right to the heart of what the marital covenant (and Christ's sacrifice on the cross as an indirect result) itself implies.


Why the use of the word Homoerotic?
 
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