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Well said, Enemy Party! Rarely do I agree with you, but I do here! ROFL!!!!!!!!Because I don't think a loving and benign God would deliberately set people up to fail by making it so that the ONLY way they can experience the fundamental human condition of romantic love, the ONLY way they can have the mutual caring, supporting relationship you get from being in a partnership, would be worthy of damnation.
Further, its about the only sin that isn't logical. All the others are either sins against others, sins against the self, or sins against God... but homosexuality is a matter of consenting adults doing what comes naturally,. It doesnt harm ANYONE.
Because I don't think a loving and benign God would deliberately set people up to fail by making it so that the ONLY way they can experience the fundamental human condition of romantic love, the ONLY way they can have the mutual caring, supporting relationship you get from being in a partnership, would be worthy of damnation.
Further, its about the only sin that isn't logical. All the others are either sins against others, sins against the self, or sins against God... but homosexuality is a matter of consenting adults doing what comes naturally,. It doesnt harm ANYONE.
I understand that. But, as someone else already pointed out, it is something that comes up quite often - as if to say that 'THIS SIN' is so much more abominable than any 'other sin' we can think of. I'm wondering why, in light of ALL the things that God called an ABOMINATION?It's not...it just so happens that is what this thread is about!
Is the "while you are waiting" comment meant to suggest that he'll be waiting for quite a while? Because...maybe...we all know that what he's asking for doesn't exist?StTherese said:While you are waiting...could you show me where in scripture is says that everything must be layed out in scripture...or that the scriptures are the only authority???
Yes He is loving. But that is only one of His characteristics. He is also HOLY. He is also JUST, and He also has WRATH. So you have to take God as who He is in all not just a part of Him..Because I don't think a loving and benign God would deliberately set people up to fail by making it so that the ONLY way they can experience the fundamental human condition of romantic love, the ONLY way they can have the mutual caring, supporting relationship you get from being in a partnership, would be worthy of damnation.
Further, its about the only sin that isn't logical. All the others are either sins against others, sins against the self, or sins against God... but homosexuality is a matter of consenting adults doing what comes naturally,. It doesnt harm ANYONE.
Is the "while you are waiting" comment meant to suggest that he'll be waiting for quite a while? Because...maybe...we all know that what he's asking for doesn't exist?
Well isn't that interesting...
Now, generally, during a discussion or debate, if two people make opposing assertions, it is up to the person who is deviating from logic or common sense, or who is suggesting something more extreme or complex, to prove their point. If we both hear a funny sound, and you say, "I think that's thunder," and I say "No, I think it's an earthquake," and there's a storm coming in but we don't live in an earthquake prone area, then it is up to me to explain why I think it is more likely to be an earthquake. You do not need to prove that stroms produce thunder.
That said, if you seem to recognize that the things he was looking for don't exist (that is, any reasonable Scriptural support for the assertion that homosexual acts are inherently wrong, that aren't do to misunderstandings or bad translations), then the ball is in your court now. The Bible does, we can all agree, very clearly support love and marriage, but you are asserting, without any obvious support, that there are unwritten exceptions. That God doesn't really support all love and marriage--only certain types.
As it has been shown that there is no obvious support for this assertion, it is now up to you to prove your point, not those who argue that these "exceptions" are no such thing.
So, back to you, and repeating the previously asked question: where is your support for this assertion?
Yes He is loving. But that is only one of His characteristics. He is also HOLY. He is also JUST, and He also has WRATH. So you have to take God as who He is in all not just a part of Him..
If he only likes certain types why didnt he say so?
You are making false assertions. ALL sin is against God! God is no more responsible for the disordered desires of a homosexual as He is of the disordered desires of a heterosexual. God created us good. It is the result of the fall of man, the sin of Adam of Eve, that has resulted in our concupiscence (the attraction we have for sin). God is not the author of sin.Because I don't think a loving and benign God would deliberately set people up to fail by making it so that the ONLY way they can experience the fundamental human condition of romantic love, the ONLY way they can have the mutual caring, supporting relationship you get from being in a partnership, would be worthy of damnation.
Further, its about the only sin that isn't logical. All the others are either sins against others, sins against the self, or sins against God... but homosexuality is a matter of consenting adults doing what comes naturally,. It doesnt harm ANYONE.
sins against God.. Okay well God made Male and female to become one flesh. NO where is it written that He made male and male or female and female and that they could become one flesh. So this act goes against even from the beginning what God created Humans to be. So this is an act against what God said was good..Therefore is come short of Gods mark. Therefore it is sin. Marriage was intended for male and female.. So they could become one flesh..We are to Love God first and foremost.. Above all else.. And in doing so we have to live by His word.. And even the Apostle Paul said do not be deceived for neither will these inherit the Kingdom of God.Because I don't think a loving and benign God would deliberately set people up to fail by making it so that the ONLY way they can experience the fundamental human condition of romantic love, the ONLY way they can have the mutual caring, supporting relationship you get from being in a partnership, would be worthy of damnation.
Further, its about the only sin that isn't logical. All the others are either sins against others, sins against the self, or sins against God... but homosexuality is a matter of consenting adults doing what comes naturally,. It doesnt harm ANYONE.
And to CelticFlower, I didn't find what EnemyPartyII said funny at all, as it is not truth. Paul was a wonderful peacemaker, as is the Holy Spirit. Yet the flesh wages war with the Spirit, doesn't it?
Ever heard of original sin? Concupiscence? The fall of man? The sin of Adam and Eve?So, creating somebody to fail, and then punishing them for the way you created them...is that Holy or Just? It's certainly wrathful, but I assume we are talking about Holy and Just wrath, not willy-nilly "smiting everybody I can get my hands on because I woke up on the wrong side of nebula today."
God didn't create you with homosexualality....Sin did that.. Sin entered into the human woman and man through the disobedience of one man.. Adam..So, creating somebody to fail, and then punishing them for the way you created them...is that Holy or Just? It's certainly wrathful, but I assume we are talking about Holy and Just wrath, not willy-nilly "smiting everybody I can get my hands on because I woke up on the wrong side of nebula today."
so if someone has the thoughts and tendencies towards homosexuality it is not from God.. It is from the evil one.. And when you give into this temptation it becomes sin.. Which you alone entered into it.. No one forced you it was your choice..13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
If God sets up the rules so having a loving commited relationship with the only person you can concieve of as being "the one for you", is damnation worthy, and then makes homosexual people in his own image , whom will run afowl this rule... who, precisely, is doing the setting up?It wasn't God whom set up man for a fall.
How do you figure?God didn't create you with homosexualality....Sin did that..
Well, here's the thing...God did not create sin! He created us with free-will to choose His will or not to choose His will. To go against His will is SIN. A result of the FALL of man is ORIGINAL SIN. You should read more about it. This is the reason we have inclinations to sin...as in the case of homosexual tendencies. This "only one for you" stuff is for the birds. The attraction we feel for someone is just that...an attraction...it does not equal love. Love is a choice!If God sets up the rules so having a loving commited relationship with the only person you can concieve of as being "the one for you", is damnation worthy, and then makes homosexual people in his own image , whom will run afowl this rule... who, precisely, is doing the setting up?
nonesense.so if someone has the thoughts and tendencies towards homosexuality it is not from God.. It is from the evil one
I assume you are straight. Prove what you are saying... heres a fun experiment... go out and CHOOSE to romanticly love a women, see how far you get.The attraction we feel for someone is just that...an attraction...it does not equal love. Love is a choice!
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