God did not make people gay. Left handed ? Brown eyes ? ... I said a defect. More like being born without arms.
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God did not make people gay. Left handed ? Brown eyes ? ... I said a defect. More like being born without arms.So if it's programmed in, wouldn't that mean it would be inborn? So really it's Gods fault people are born gay?
uhmm since it's your analogy, shouldn't you figure out why God made people gay?
tulc(language is an agreement between people that certain sounds mean certan things, being lefthanded is inborn, having brown eyes is inborn, being gay is inborn)
OK, here are my thoughts, and they are based on a Dutch doctor that has had a private psychotherapeutic practice since 1963.
At a young age, boys that develop same sex desires typically viewed themselves negatively when comparing themselves to peers as they were growing up. These boys begin to greatly admire, even idolize, those males they see as being "real men". This trait is more prevelant than any other trait of homosexual men - that when they were growing up, they viewed themselves as less than their peers.
Studies now show that it wasnt the abusive father or sexual abuse or feminine characteristics that "make" a person have same sex desires - it's how you viewed yourself in comparison to peers. (It just so happens that boys that are abused by fathers, or sexually abused, or feminine acting, or with more sensitive feelings, tend to feel this way about themselves compared to peers more than most boys.)
However, it's not just the perception of oneself when you are growing up - it's also how you handle that perception. People handle their perception of themselves differently. For instance, my father-in-law is insecure, but he handles his insecurities by "being better than everyone else", and "never being wrong" (even when he is), and putting others down to make himself look better. In other words, a false cockiness. If you handle it by greatly admiring and idolizing your peer males you wish you were like, you develop same sex attractions.
As adults, gay men can become very self-assured and confident - but it doesnt matter how you feel and think about yourself as an adult; what causes same sex desires is how you compared yourself to peers growing up.
Think about your own life. When you were entering puberty, how did you view yourself in comparison to your peers? I know how I felt. I'm genuinely curious, how did you view yourself in relation to your peers growing up?
Now, this person is a homosexual and his inferiorities are the cause, according to him, why he developed a same sex attraction.
Well if you can define "normal" in such a way as to cover every aspect of it you might be on to something, until then normal really is just a setting on a washing machine.The question is though, can a person who developed a fixation on his peers due to feeling of insuperiority, really grow up to be normal ? (emph. added)
Perhaps, but are you suggesting that, because of the testimony of this (alleged) homosexual, all homosexuals are 'that way' because of their insecurities and/or peer fixation?Now, this person is a homosexual and his inferiorities are the cause, according to him, why he developed a same sex attraction.
Well, yes. Only feral children grow up without peers to fixate upon, and no person grows up without insecurities of one form or another.The question is though, can a person who developed a fixation on his peers due to feeling of insuperiority, really grow up to be normal?
OK, here are my thoughts, and they are based on a Dutch doctor that has had a private psychotherapeutic practice since 1963.
At a young age, boys that develop same sex desires typically viewed themselves negatively when comparing themselves to peers as they were growing up. These boys begin to greatly admire, even idolize, those males they see as being "real men". This trait is more prevelant than any other trait of homosexual men - that when they were growing up, they viewed themselves as less than their peers.
To what studies is he referring to?Studies now show that it wasnt the abusive father or sexual abuse or feminine characteristics that "make" a person have same sex desires - it's how you viewed yourself in comparison to peers. (It just so happens that boys that are abused by fathers, or sexually abused, or feminine acting, or with more sensitive feelings, tend to feel this way about themselves compared to peers more than most boys.)
God did not make people gay.
I am living proof that He DOES make people gay.
How can you prove it, though?
Personally, I don't NEED to prove it. I merely stated it as proof to those who disbelieve.How can you prove it, though?
If you're not sure, wouldn't it be better to abstain even if it MAY be sin?
Being gay is NOT like being born without arms. Gay people are completely whole, healthy human beings. We are just different from you in our sexual orientation.God did not make people gay. Left handed ? Brown eyes ? ... I said a defect. More like being born without arms.
Barfriend...we know u like to stir the pot. You have been posting anti gay rhetoric for months, and you continue to get no where with your constant bashing of people different than you, and then making it into something biblical. It seems to me, based on ur rants, that you look to the bible as your basis for sexuality. How sad that is.When you look at an object, what you are seeing is its reflection caused by light bouncing off it.
This is reflected on the eyeball and the image is chemically transferred to the brain.
This image forms in the mind.
In fact all pain and physical sensation are in the mind, ie: figments of our imagination.
So, what does it mean to be same-sex attracted ?
It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.
It is like a bad program in a computer. A defect.
It is as though when you were being programmed, someone really screwed up. Like you started talking Chinese instead of English.
Now, if English is your native language, and you go around speaking Chinese, that does not do you a heck of a lot of good now does it ?
As for your analogy above..its futile to argue any point with you. You talk about "gene pool" etc..but seem to always leave out the heterosexuals that are unable to conceive. What would be the point of a woman to have her period if she can't have a child? Why would God give man testicles if he were sterile? Not everyone is made to produce, and for that matter...more homosexuals than ever before are having kids. Sexuality has nothing to do with whom can conceive or who wants children. That is just the result of a sexual act. Many homosexuals WANT children...many heterosexuals DO NOT. It just is what it is..so no need to aruge the point further.
There is a difference between a man and wife in a sacramental marriage than between an adulterous straight or gay couple that makes your point on sterility mute. Does that help you understand why that is non-issue that I do not address ?
This is the homosexual debate forum. I have no intention of debating theology or denominational issues here.Protestants (excluding some Anglicans) do not believe that marriage is a sacrament.
In your view then, are Protestant marriages invalid? What about Jewish or Muslim marriages? Agnostic or atheistic marriages?
This is the homosexual debate forum. I have no intention of debating theology or denominational issues here.
Why don't you start a thread in the theology forum ?
If I did not believe that a Jewish marriage was sacramental, then what would be the point ? God said the Jews were his people and he does not lie. As far as protestant denominations, they can be valid (IMO) in the same sense my denomination recognizes most evangelical baptisms.
Hope that answers your questions.
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