Homosexuality, why it is a mental defect.

[BAFRIEND]

When you look at an object, what you are seeing is its reflection caused by light bouncing off it.

This is reflected on the eyeball and the image is chemically transferred to the brain.

This image forms in the mind.

In fact all pain and physical sensation are in the mind, ie: figments of our imagination.

So, what does it mean to be same-sex attracted ?

It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.

It is like a bad program in a computer. A defect.

It is as though when you were being programmed, someone really screwed up. Like you started talking Chinese instead of English.

Now, if English is your native language, and you go around speaking Chinese, that does not do you a heck of a lot of good now does it ?

 

[kiwimac]

There is no indication that homosexuality is a defect of any kind. Homosexuality occurs throughout nature in roughly the same percentages. It is a part of the normal sexual spectrum.

 

[BobbyS]

The problem with your theory is that it makes, homosexuality an all or nothing phenomenon. But that is not the case. Human sexuality falls on a spectrum. There are heterosexual men and women with very minimal attration to the same sex but with infrequent homosexual fantasies. Toward the other end of the spectrum, there are men and women with more frequent homosexual fantasies and urges. Somewhere in the middle of the spectrum are bisexual men and women, who engage in sex and have sexual fantasies about same and opposite sex. At the far end of the spectrum are men and women with minimal attraction to the opposite sex. The really difficult point about this fact of reality is that it forces you to acknowledge your own homosexual orientation to whatever degree it is present.

 

[OllieFranz]

When you look at an object, what you are seeing is its reflection caused by light bouncing off it.

This is reflected on the eyeball and the image is chemically transferred to the brain.

This image forms in the mind.

In fact all pain and physical sensation are in the mind, ie: figments of our imagination.

So, what does it mean to be same-sex attracted ?

It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.

It is like a bad program in a computer. A defect.

It is as though when you were being programmed, someone really screwed up. Like you started talking Chinese instead of English.

Now, if English is your native language, and you go around speaking Chinese, that does not do you a heck of a lot of good now does it ?

The comparisons to vision and computer programming are scienifically wrong and completely unnecessary.

If you had simply said:

It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.

You would have still made your point. The thing, however, is that you have not established why attraction to one sex is "right" and to the other is "wrong." Or why any emotion (a bio-chemical reaction in the brain) should have a moral value. Morals go with choices, not with feelings.

Unless by "wrong" you mean that it is a either a genetic or a bio-chemical defect. In that case, you are saying that it is inbred, and that the "wrong" attraction is God's fault.

But most conservatives claim that "God doesn't make mistakes" and that homosex is a person's willful act of rebellion against the (heterosexual) nature God has given him. Are you breaking away from that party line? Are you saying that homosex is natural for gays?

Also, you may want to rethink the last paragraph. I'm not a Pentacostal or a Charismatic, so I don't feel personally insulted by it, but there are a lot of people on these boards who do believe in the continued prescence of special indwelling of the Holy Spirit as manifested by the gift of tongues.

 

[BAFRIEND]

There is no indication that homosexuality is a defect of any kind. Homosexuality occurs throughout nature in roughly the same percentages. It is a part of the normal sexual spectrum.

I don't think I would use the term "normal".

What purpose then does homosexuality have then ?

Thinning out the herd ?

Why did God choose your genes to take out of the gene pool ?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Also, you may want to rethink the last paragraph. I'm not a Pentacostal or a Charismatic, so I don't feel personally insulted by it, but there are a lot of people on these boards who do believe in the continued prescence of special indwelling of the Holy Spirit as manifested by the gift of tongues.

I am not a Pentacostal either, nor do I have to be one to know that they are probably the most right winged fundamentalist anti-homosexual/gay denoms out there.

I think that the above quoted comment is a stretch over how either a Pentacostal or Charismatic would respond to the post.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I see it more as "sin nature", not "defects" we all have our struggles. As a follower of Christ, I am anything but normal in this world's sense.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I see it more as "sin nature", not "defects" we all have our struggles. As a follower of Christ, I am anything but normal in this world's sense.

I believe that God tests us to the limits of our abilities. I do not believe that God gives us more than we can handle.

People know the difference between right and wrong.

That is why it upsets me when people who know better say that the gay lifestyle and adultery are not wrong. It is giving others license to give up.

 

[OllieFranz]

I am not a Pentacostal either, nor do I have to be one to know that they are probably the most right winged fundamentalist anti-homosexual/gay denoms out there.

I think that the above quoted comment is a stretch over how either a Pentacostal or Charismatic would respond to the post.

I don't know about that. You say that gays are somehow wrong in their brains. The Pentacostals and Charismatics may or may not agree, depending on how much they believe that homosex is willful defiance of God's Law and the natural order, rather than the result of an orientation.

But then you say that the wrongness in their brains is the same kind of wrongness that produces glossolalia. I would be upset of you said that my God-given gift was "wrong" and compared it to something I believed was a sin.

 

[BAFRIEND]

glossolalia

You are talking of speaking in tongues which has absolutely nothing to do with speaking in Chinese or English.

Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. I was speaking of normal learned language usage.

 

[OllieFranz]

I believe that God tests us to the limits of our abilities. I do not believe that God gives us more than we can handle.

I agree. So does Paul
[bible]1 Corinthians 10:13[/bible]

But God created the sex drive for good purposes. He made it strong. In the same letter, Paul recognized that it was not always possible to overcome it. That sometimes it needs to be channelled into lawful sex instead. The "way to escape" is to marry.
[bible]1 Corinthians 7:9[/bible]

So, what is the "way to escape" for gays?

People know the difference between right and wrong.

That is why it upsets me when people who know better say that the gay lifestyle and adultery are not wrong. It is giving others license to give up.

I'll agree that if someone who is struggling with homosexual feelings and believes that homosex is sinful, or even is not fully convinced that it is. We should not be a stumbling block to them.
[bible]1 Corinthians 8:1-13[/bible]

(See also Romans 14 and Colossians 2)

But just as Paul continued to teach the truth about the freedom we have under Grace, so will I. It is not "giving others license to give up" to tell them that the Jewish dietary laws do not apply to non-Jewish Christians. Nor does the observance of the Jewish feasts and fasts. Nor any other provisions of the Holiness Code, including the ban on "man-lying."

 

[BAFRIEND]

Well, that was a good post.

Some of the homosexuals here get defensive when they have no answers.

This is a debate forum, not a support group.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I'll agree that if someone who is struggling with homosexual feelings and believes that homosex is sinful, or even is not fully convinced that it is. We should not be a stumbling block to them.

If you're not sure, wouldn't it be better to abstain even if it MAY be sin?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

When you look at an object, what you are seeing is its reflection caused by light bouncing off it.

This is reflected on the eyeball and the image is chemically transferred to the brain.

This image forms in the mind.

Crude, but correct.

In fact all pain and physical sensation are in the mind, ie: figments of our imagination.

Ah, no. It is a sensation of the mind caused by physical effects. Pain does not exist as a seperate thing, but it is not a figment.

So, what does it mean to be same-sex attracted ?

Just what it says on the tin: attracted to one's own sex.

It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.

Justification?

It is like a bad program in a computer. A defect.

A defect is detrimental to function. Please demonstrate how homosexuals experiance a detriment due to their homosexuality.

It is as though when you were being programmed, someone really screwed up. Like you started talking Chinese instead of English.

Now, if English is your native language, and you go around speaking Chinese, that does not do you a heck of a lot of good now does it ?

Your analogy is flawed: language is learned, sexual orientation is not.

 

[tulc]

So if it's programmed in, wouldn't that mean it would be inborn? So really it's Gods fault people are born gay?

What purpose then does homosexuality have then ?

Thinning out the herd ?

Why did God choose your genes to take out of the gene pool ?

uhmm since it's your analogy, shouldn't you figure out why God made people gay?
tulc(language is an agreement between people that certain sounds mean certan things, being lefthanded is inborn, having brown eyes is inborn, being gay is inborn)

 

[ChaliceThunder]

When you look at an object, what you are seeing is its reflection caused by light bouncing off it.

This is reflected on the eyeball and the image is chemically transferred to the brain.

This image forms in the mind.

In fact all pain and physical sensation are in the mind, ie: figments of our imagination.

So, what does it mean to be same-sex attracted ?

It means that through a failure in interpretation, your brain leads you to be attracted, sexually, to wrong the wrong sex.

It is like a bad program in a computer. A defect.

It is as though when you were being programmed, someone really screwed up. Like you started talking Chinese instead of English.

Now, if English is your native language, and you go around speaking Chinese, that does not do you a heck of a lot of good now does it ?

Right off the bat all science disagrees with you, son.

No reputable scientific body claims that homosexuality is a mental defect.

*next*

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I don't think I would use the term "normal".

What purpose then does homosexuality have then ?

Thinning out the herd ?

Why did God choose your genes to take out of the gene pool ?

God did no such thing.

All of us gay people were created by heterosexuals...or at least they called themselves heterosexuals.

(We know for sure that often gays feel so persecuted that they have to hide in marriage with children...but that's another topic!)

Our genes are still in the pool. Many gay people are still making babies the old fashioned way. And many of us have straight siblings, so many of our genes are still happily swimmin' in the pool.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Your analogy is flawed: language is learned, sexual orientation is not.

It is too. I have never seen one specific study on biological orgins that pin point a significant % to have any validity.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Either way, I wouldn't mind if it was (even though the APA has proven otherwise that there is no chemical imbalance in homosexuals. And every scientific body agrees. Christian science doesn't really count, not that they've proven otherwise). Medical defects are almost never bad. In fact, some so-called "mentally deficient" people are actually the most gifted in society. (ADHD/ADD are more creative, autistic are more innocent, homosexuals might be the epitomes of truly loving relationships).

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It is too.

Source?

I have never seen one specific study on biological orgins that pin point a significant % to have any validity.

And I have seen no study that even remotely suggests that homosexuality is a mental defect.
Why, then, do you make the a priori assumption that it is?

Congrats on ignoring the rest of my post, btw.