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I know a lot of pro gay men will say, they have nothing wrong with homosexual men. So, I'd like to ask them one very simple question that I highly doubt will be answer by them.
Why aren't you gay?
If there is nothing wrong with gay sex, why don't you enjoy it from time to time?
The obvious and most straight forward answer will be, it's not for me.
That however, doesn't actually answer the question. It doesn't say, why you wouldn't. You're not describing the effect you think homosexual sex will have on you that keeps you from having it.
Which is the real answer to the question.
What about gay sex to you seems so bad that you wouldn't do it at all?
I'm sure plenty of guys would be happy to fornicate. How many heterosexual men would be happy to sleep with a gay man?
No, I don't, try clarifying yourself instead of answering questions with questions.
It's not about blame. I'm naturally attracted to women, no question about that. But lets say a gay guy offers me oral sex... I wouldn't accept probably ever, but when I think about it what difference would it make if it was a male or a female offering? I can only think it is societal influences that would make me completely uncomfortable if it was a guy performing it.
Try me
You know what? The thought of having sex with Mick Hucknall makes me extremely uncomfortable (and I am attracted to men). It doesn't mean there's anything abnormal about his girlfriend, though.
Yeah... I'm not a woman.
But I can tell you that there are plenty of women I wouldn't sleep with.
It's called personal interest or preference and not to be confused with sexual orientation.
Are you saying homosexuality is a choice?I think it's pretty much the same, actually. Gay men simply find themselves attracted to certain (but not all) other men, rather like straight women find themselves attracted to men, and there's nothing in the slightest bit unnatural or abnormal about that. That straight men who are comfortable with gay men don't want to have sex with men merely tells you about their personal preference, and their very mature and sensible ability to separate that from their moral judgements about other people's preferences.
O.K.
To get technical read Side's post. Thats a good post.
To get un-technical but still saying the same thing, read my post.
Add the fact that gay sex makes me personally have almost the same feeling I get when I think about incest. Just so not cool.
I'm guessing it will probably feel the same way to you. Emotionally.
Just scary.
Turn it around and say the gay guy asked you to do him a favor.
How does that make you feel? It cant all be about society?
I'm sure you would probably be thinking about that while the gay guy was doing his thing to you. Maybe just in the back of your mind but non the less, it's there. Just because you wouldn't mind one act doesn't make it all O.K.
I'm willing to go as far as to say that if a guy had given you oral sex you wouldn't forget it for that reason. There'd always be the question of how you would have felt if you were giving the oral sex.
Society wouldn't be the only reason you'd remember it.
It would almost be as if you were taking advantage of someone who would do something you would never do.
Something you would never do because of how emotionally uncomfortable it makes you feel.
That sounds immoral to me and from what you said in your post "I wouldn't accept probably ever, " it sounds as if you might agree.
Which post number is it?
Same here, yes, although quite honestly I'd rather sleep with a guy than my sister.
I'd decline, I wouldn't be that bothered that he asked me though.
Kind of irrelevant, and I fully admit I wouldn't let it happen as it would be on my mind the whole time he was doing the act that it was a guy doing it. I wouldn't let a woman I didn't like give me oral sex either. If I'm not sexually attracted then I'd rather not go there. That doesn't mean I think there is anything wrong if someone else, another guy, is willing to accept off the same person I've declined.
Yep, pretty much.
I suppose you could consider it would be immoral for me to accept a proposition from someone that I know for sure that we have no future, if they are expecting more than a 'one-off', but it isn't immoral for someone else to go with the same person if they think it could lead somewhere. So I don't see why this makes homosexuality wrong all in all.
Are you saying homosexuality is a choice?
So far I'm talking to two posters who have confused preference with sexual orientation. Neither of which is gay and have no idea as to how gay people come to the conclusion that they are in fact gay.
Whats even more surprising is that I myself have no idea how gay people decide they're gay. Nor have I ever tried to suggest how they do.
To do other wise would be to suggest you think homosexuality is a choice.
" I wouldn't let a woman I didn't like give me oral sex either."
How could you compare that statement to sexual orientation with a straight face?
I don't like chicks with Mohawks, so I think I'll run out and have sex with a guy. Cause really, Mohawks turn me off.
Jude Law here I come baby!
Did you "choose" to be bisexual?Why would you conclude that I'm saying that?
Gay people's sexual orientation comes down to personal preference, just as everyone else's does. The range of people you are attracted to is limited to women. The range of people gay men are attracted to is limited to men. The range of people I am attracted to is not limited by sex. In other words, you have a preference for women, gay men have a preference for men, and my preferences are not limited by people's sex. That doesn't indicate that any of those preferences are a matter of choice, though. I dare say you didn't choose to be attracted to women rather than men. But then, I dare say you didn't choose to be attracted to blonde/brunette/slim/curvy/femme/butch women, either. You simply find yourself attracted to a particular range of people, just like gay people do.
Am I one of these two posters? I'm bisexual, if that makes you feel any better. But I have also studied sexuality in detail. It is a matter of interest to me.
I don't think they decide they're gay, usually. I think they discover they're gay.
You aren't attracted to women with Mohawks, so you don't have sex with women with Mohawks. Gay men aren't attracted to any women, so they don't have sex with any women. What's the difference? One criterion for whether you're attracted to someone is their hairstyle; another is their sex. What's the difference between those two criteria?
Did you "choose" to be bisexual?
You can't grow into a sexual orientation. It's there like eye color or how big your teeth are. Doesn't matter if it's discovered. It's there.
But you can gain or lose interest all the time.
You can not be attracted to Mohawks one day and the next want to dry hump the very next Mohawk you see.
Hey, some people don't see a birthmark on their back until they're half way through with life. Doesn't mean it wasn't always there.Yes, but I don't see how that's relevant.
And some people find that they were attracted to one sex for their whole life and are now attracted to the other. People do change, although it's not very fashionable to talk about it.
I don't see how any of this is relevant. It's hardly surprising that the shape of people's genitals is an important determining factor in whom we are attracted to - far more so than hairstyle - but I don't think that's a basis for concluding that people who happen to like people whose genitals are the same shape as their own are in some sense unnatural. You know what? Not that many heterosexual men in the West are attracted to girls with Mohawks (probably for gender reasons). It doesn't make the ones who are attracted to those girls unnatural.
Hey, some people don't see a birthmark on their back until they're half way through with life. Doesn't mean it wasn't always there.
So you sound very confused. My apologies.
Still doesn't change what preference is or isn't.
Because you sound so confused, this will be the last post I make to you.
Thank you for the chat and have a good day.
And that is why it is wrong for Christians to eat shellfish, shave, wear clothing made of mixed fibers, and wear glasses to church because these are all sins精神的な名誉;48228820 said:Yea ur correct, a sin is a sin
As a long time lurker here, Cantata has always struck me as one of the least confused people on these forumsBecause you sound so confused, this will be the last post I make to you.
Yet your entire post says the exact opposite.Let me say right from the start, that I have nothing against homosexuals.
Nothing in your attempted justification here says it is for any reason other than your own personal biasI completely understand that they can not help but be who they are and I don't judge them for that. I say that because I often get in these conversations and people freak out because of what I have to say.
I've been refining this conversation and I think I finally have it.
Let me explain.
I think homosexuality is worse then fornication but not for the same reasons that the OP may have had in mind and certainly not because I don't like gays or lesbians. I'm not bias toward homosexuals at all.
The homosexual issue is the same way. Now I know the APA doesn't classify homosexuality as a mental disorder. I have to say, the only reason they don't is because they cant treat it. There's no cure for Alzheimer's either but doctors still try to treat that.
Yes you are.I'm not saying that homosexuality is a mental illness.
By the same criteria being anything but white is abnormalI am saying that it is certainly viewed upon as abnormal.
The same response you are trying to justifyEven by homosexuals. I only say that because the majority of the homosexuals I've talked to admit to questioning their sexuality. Admittedly most of them have said they only question their sexuality because of the negative response they have had from the majority of society.
What makes you think any man would be romantically interested in you?But look at it this way.
If a man, any man approaches me with bedroom eyes. I'm going to treat him like the screaming guy and avoid him at all cost. So would most other heterosexual men.
If I walk up to a gay man and say, man that girl is hot!
He wont have the same response. Not even close to it. He might even tell me that he's gay and the girl does nothing for him. But he wouldn't want to avoid me in the same fashion.
You say this yet you still try to claim that somehow you are not biased that you have nothing against homosexuals that you don't judgeI know a lot of pro gay men will say, they have nothing wrong with homosexual men. So, I'd like to ask them one very simple question that I highly doubt will be answer by them.
Why aren't you gay?
I dont think there is anything wrong with being Oriental. Will you ask me why I am not Oriental?If there is nothing wrong with gay sex, why don't you enjoy it from time to time?
The obvious and most straight forward answer will be, it's not for me.
That however, doesn't actually answer the question. It doesn't say, why you wouldn't. You're not describing the effect you think homosexual sex will have on you that keeps you from having it.
Which is the real answer to the question.
If you think lesbians sex is so great why arent you a lesbian?What about gay sex to you seems so bad that you wouldn't do it at all?
I'm sure plenty of guys would be happy to fornicate. How many heterosexual men would be happy to sleep with a gay man?
Now a lesbian will come in, read my post and ask the question, what about two women? And then say, I'm sure you're not talking about that.
I can tell you this much. If a guy is attracted to two women having sex that only confirms his heterosexuality.
Why can you only be heterosexual?I do know for gay men there is only one problem. That is that they can not explain exactly why they can only be gay. Sadly for them the majority of heterosexual men only know that they cant help but be gay. So they steer clear of them.
Why are you pretending that the answer a gay man would have to your question would be any different or less satisfying than the answer you just gave?I can tell you exactly why I'm not gay. I can also tell you that I didn't have to put any thought into it what so ever.
The entire idea of gay sex makes me very uncomfortable. "Only" when it looks as if I might be the one being considered for gay sex.
I could care less what two gay men do in the privacy of their own home.
That has nothing to do with me.
It's so uncomfortable, it's worse then the thought of having sex with a sibling. But viewed upon much in the same light and both to be avoided at all cost.
By stupid you mean that you are unable to actually respond to the pointI might add, that it's easy to see what the results of sex are suppose to produce. But then someone some where will tell me animals have gay sex and that makes it natural. Or something stupid.
case in pointAnyway. It's easy to see that it's far more natural to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. Of course that issue has to be clouded because people don't want to use common sense.
Which doesn't help the issue. It only weakens the argument for homosexual rights and reinforces the belief that homosexual sex is abnormal.
Simply because it appears that people are grasping for straws.
Racists say the same thing about civil rights. Can you explain why your position is different?Which they are and then they're cramming their newly found ideas down our throats. Pretty much forcing us to act as if we don't think gay sex is normal. Which is the only problem I have with the whole issue.
If homosexuality cant be helped, explain why it cant. Let the world know your story so they wont avoid you on the street.
O.K.
To get technical read Side's post. Thats a good post.
To get un-technical but still saying the same thing, read my post.
Add the fact that gay sex makes me personally have almost the same feeling I get when I think about incest. Just so not cool.
I'm guessing it will probably feel the same way to you. Emotionally.
Just scary.
Turn it around and say the gay guy asked you to do him a favor.
How does that make you feel? It cant all be about society?
I'm sure you would probably be thinking about that while the gay guy was doing his thing to you. Maybe just in the back of your mind but non the less, it's there. Just because you wouldn't mind one act doesn't make it all O.K.
I'm willing to go as far as to say that if a guy had given you oral sex you wouldn't forget it for that reason. There'd always be the question of how you would have felt if you were giving the oral sex.
Society wouldn't be the only reason you'd remember it.
It would almost be as if you were taking advantage of someone who would do something you would never do.
Something you would never do because of how emotionally uncomfortable it makes you feel.
That sounds immoral to me and from what you said in your post "I wouldn't accept probably ever, " it sounds as if you might agree.
But I can tell you that there are plenty of women I wouldn't sleep with.
It's called personal interest or preference and not to be confused with sexual orientation.
Not what was said or even implied.Are you saying homosexuality is a choice?
As a long time lurker here, Cantata has always struck me as one of the least confused people on these forums
Not what was said or even implied.
You have stated that you are not attracted to all women. By the same token gay men are not attracted to all men, they have personal preferences just as you do.
Or are you saying that heterosexuality is just a choice?
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