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Homosexuality is a sin.

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Wrong. The Bible speaks against the act of having sex with the same sex. It says it is an abomination. Find me one verse in scripture that is as clear as those against Homosexuality, against blacks. You can't because it's not a sin. You are wrong. The Bible speaks against Homosexuality, without me even having to speak words myslef. All I have to do is post scripture, with no commentary, and you knew what was being said. You are bringing condemnation on the Word of God.
 
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Well, I'm of the opinion that homosexuality is normal. Even if it wasn't, dancing around with purple underwear on your head is also not normal, but it would be off-topic to talk about it.
Sinning is also normal. But that doesn't mean we are to give in to it, now does it?
 
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They are the same thing.


They're not at all, as any dictionary will tell you. Homosexual sex is having sex with someone of the same gender. Bestiality is having sex with a non-human animal. Very, very different.
 
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Sinning is also normal. But that doesn't mean we are to give in to it, now does it?

No indeed. We shouldn't give in to sin. But being gay isn't a sin.
 
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You brought up Sodom

The end result of using Sodom to justify personal prejudice is that Sodom is equally usable to justify rape and child sexual abuse.
Don't put words in my mouth.
 
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If one breaks down the verse you are trying to refer to word for word, from the Biblical Hebrew one discovers it does not say what you so desperately wish it says.
First of all, lo tishcav, "do not lie" comes from the word for lie down as in 'lie on the bed' or 'lie on the ground.' Other condemnation of sexual intercourse or sexual activity in Leviticus did not use 'do not lie' rather Rather the author wrote "do not have carnal relations with" or "do not uncover the nakedness of" to condemn sexual activity.
Why would Leviticus include this verse if it means only that to lie beside a man is obscene? Furthermore what does obscene mean? One definition for obscene is, "designed to incite to lust or depravity." Thus, we can conclude that a man should not lie with a man because it may incite lust. But so what? The bible doesn't have issues with lust, in fact, the Bible records several stories of passion and mutually enjoyed lust. There must be an element still missing from this interpretation and that is to whom the verse is directed. It is directed to men who know what it is like to lie with a woman IE married men. Had the verse been just a condemnation of homosexuality it would have read, "Do not have carnal relations with a man."
In order to clarify the literal intention of the verse the definition of to'evah is once again under scrutiny. If lying next to a man potentially leads to depravity and depravity is defined as perversion and to pervert something means, "To lead astray" then who is being led astray by lying beside a man? Clearly any man who regularly lies with a woman is prohibited from lying beside a man because it may lead him astray from his commitment to her.
This interpretation is supported by the second century Torah commentator Bar Kapparah, who wrote, "to'eh ata ba—you go astray because of it" (Babylonian Talmud, Nedarim 51B). Rebecca Alpert writes, "Tosafot and R. Asher ben Jehiel assume that to go astray means to abandon your wife and disrupt family life."
Preserving the family is so vital to the Israelites that the prohibition against adultery is one of the Ten Commandments. Deconstructed in this manner it becomes evident that Leviticus 18:22 is not intended as a prohibition against homosexuality rather it is a prohibition for a married man to lust after another man and abandon his family.

 
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They're not at all, as any dictionary will tell you. Homosexual sex is having sex with someone of the same gender. Bestiality is having sex with a non-human animal. Very, very different.
Why does my dog have to give consent? I am it's master, and it has to do whatever I say. Stop being judgemental, and using biased dictionaries that clearly are trying to push a anti beastiality agenda! Leave me alone. I want to do it. It's the way I was made. lol.
 
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Sorry, but the people that translated the KJV of the Bible where a lot smarter than you. I will take their opinions over your opinions, and their education over your education any day of the week.
 
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Racists happy cite Genesis 9:20-27 in support of their views.

As I have stated several times the bible can be used to justify racism and anti-Semitism and hatred for all sorts of minorities and individuals.

The fact you do not like that some use the bible to do exactly what you are doing doesn’t change this
 
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Lol....yes...
Could you address my points instead of mocking them, please?
Interestingly, your point about the dog and ownership could relate back to slavery. If you own a person, do they have to do whatever you say? If not, why not, when the Bible endorses slavery?
Also, you can look in any dictionary in the world, and it will tell you that bestiality and homosexuality are entirely different things. There's no bias about it- they're different, that's fact.
 
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Ok, the difference is two fold. One those verses actually have nothing to do with what you are talking about. And also, if I posted those verses, you would NEVER come away with the idea that they had anything to do with racism, unless you explained it in some sort of dialoge. I on the other had, do not need dialoge with the verses I posted, because they are clear, and are to the point. Can't get away from that.
 
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That's because the whole world is biased toward my beastiality. Anyway, again, are you bringing condemnation on the Bible? Sure sounds like you are saying that those that wrote the Bible were in the wrong, and you are in the right?
 
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That's because the whole world is biased toward my beastiality. Anyway, again, are you bringing condemnation on the Bible? Sure sounds like you are saying that those that wrote the Bible were in the wrong, and you are in the right?

No, I was not bringing condemnation on the Bible, I was just trying to get my point about slavery addressed. It's not off-topic, it directly relates to the issue of homosexuality.
 
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