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If you believe that all animals were created according to a literal interpretation of Genesis then the fact that homosexual acts exist in the animal kingdom is the biblical proof that you seek.
God must have condoned it, otherwise we wouldn't find it in so many species other than humans throughout the world. And don't give me the whole, Adam ate an apple, the world fell into sin, so animals became homosexuals bit. That is as absurd as believing the earth is 6,000 years old.And people that think they are not sinners are deceived, because the only person who ever lived, is living, or will live who never sinned is Jesus Christ. That is why it took His death to save us. Even Christians sin, so we're no better than a homosexual lost in sin, deceived into thinking that homosexuality is condoned by God.
As far as I remember the literal genesis account says that God set man higher above the animals. Man, animals, different. See?
If man were like animals they'd be humping everyone's leg, peeing on furniture, and eating barf, so they'd have to be neutered.
God must have condoned it, otherwise we wouldn't find it in so many species other than humans throughout the world. And don't give me the whole, Adam ate an apple, the world fell into sin, so animals became homosexuals bit. That is as absurd as believing the earth is 6,000 years old.
I think it's patently obvious based on the countless homosexuality threads that the issue of homosexuality being "clearly" against God is a falsehood that you would be wise to stop spreading. There are 2 verses in the Bible vaguely mentioning same sex relationships, but they are neither addressed to us in the 21st century, nor are they explicit in their target of condemnation. The Bible is far more clear that the authors considered the Earth to be geocentric and flat, yet we can without a doubt state that they were wrong on that matter. So why are you so quick to claim case closed on an issue drenched in ambiguity and misinterpretation?Polycarp,
As I said in my post, equating skin color racism (or any kind of racism) to believing the clear bible evidence that the homosexual act is not of God creation is disingenuous and only serves to emotionally load the argument since it proves absolutely nothing. With that said, please debate the topic on its own merits.
So I guess this means that since some animals eat their weak young that its ok for people to do that too (rollseyes.)If you believe that all animals were created according to a literal interpretation of Genesis then the fact that homosexual acts exist in the animal kingdom is the biblical proof that you seek.
Huh....almost sounds like a threat.I think it's patently obvious based on the countless homosexuality threads that the issue of homosexuality being "clearly" against God is a falsehood that you would be wise to stop spreading.
So I guess that means NOTHING in scripture is valid since NONE of it was written to us in the 21st century....guess having sex with my sister is a goThere are 2 verses in the Bible vaguely mentioning same sex relationships, but they are neither addressed to us in the 21st century, nor are they explicit in their target of condemnation.
Fallacious nonsense.The Bible is far more clear that the authors considered the Earth to be geocentric and flat,
There is no ambiguity except for someone who doesnt WANT to see the plain fact that in EVERY instance presented in scripture that same gender sex is condemned....So why are you so quick to claim case closed on an issue drenched in ambiguity and misinterpretation?
I think it's patently obvious based on the countless homosexuality threads that the issue of homosexuality being "clearly" against God is a falsehood that you would be wise to stop spreading. There are 2 verses in the Bible vaguely mentioning same sex relationships, but they are neither addressed to us in the 21st century, nor are they explicit in their target of condemnation. The Bible is far more clear that the authors considered the Earth to be geocentric and flat, yet we can without a doubt state that they were wrong on that matter. So why are you so quick to claim case closed on an issue drenched in ambiguity and misinterpretation?
Animals like to hump lamps, trees, other species of animals (Dogs on cats is always entertaining) and a long list of other things....guess its ok for men who OUGHT to have some sort of intelligence to to the same based on your logic, correct?God must have condoned it, otherwise we wouldn't find it in so many species other than humans throughout the world. And don't give me the whole, Adam ate an apple, the world fell into sin, so animals became homosexuals bit.
Nuff said.That is as absurd as believing the earth is 6,000 years old.
Humans are animals. The only reason most of us don't take part in "feral behavior" is because we have higher intellegence and reasoning than the rest of the animal kingdom, and have created socities designed to protect our interests. That doesn't mean biologically we are any different from the rest of the animal kingdom. You just find it convenient to use this argument, because the fact that a large percentage of the animals on Earth ( including humans) exert homosexual behavior is indicative of homosexuality being part of God's creation.Animals are not created in God's image (only "man" is) and are of different "flesh" than humans (1 Cor 15:39). Animal feral behavior can not be used to justify God's creation of "man".
Nuff said....Judges 19:20-25
20 And the old man said, Peace be with thee; howsoever let all thy wants lie upon me; only lodge not in the street.
21 So he brought him into his house, and gave provender unto the asses: and they washed their feet, and did eat and drink.
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.
Again...animals also like to have sex with OTHER species...is it your claim that we human 'animals' are ok doing the same since you like to argue that since animals do it then God is ok with man doing it ?Humans are animals. The only reason most of us don't take part in "feral behavior" is because we have higher intellegence and reasoning than the rest of the animal kingdom, and have created socities designed to protect our interests. That doesn't mean biologically we are any different from the rest of the animal kingdom. You just find it convenient to use this argument, because the fact that a large percentage of the animals on Earth ( including humans) exert homosexual behavior is indicative of homosexuality being part of God's creation.
So I guess this means that since some animals eat their weak young that its ok for people to do that too (rollseyes.)
I thought man was a bit above brute animals that live to eat and have sex.....well, or hump lamps and chair legs....hey maybe we should do that too...
Humans are animals. The only reason most of us don't take part in "feral behavior" is because we have higher intellegence and reasoning than the rest of the animal kingdom, and have created socities designed to protect our interests. That doesn't mean biologically we are any different from the rest of the animal kingdom. You just find it convenient to use this argument, because the fact that a large percentage of the animals on Earth ( including humans) exert homosexual behavior is indicative of homosexuality being part of God's creation.
Um... care to cite an example of any animal that has sex with other species that it percieves as a different species?Again...animals also like to have sex with OTHER species...is it your claim that we human 'animals' are ok doing the same since you like to argue that since animals do it then God is ok with man doing it ?
A simple reading of Genesis also shows that the ancient Hebrews believed the earth was flat, geocentric, had a giant dome over it holding the stars, and that there was a flood covering the entire Earth during the pinnacle of Egyptian civilization. All of which are quit solidly shown to be false. A simple reading of Genesis proves nothing.I disagree with you. The homosexual act is not part of God's creation. That is not a hate-filled statement since it happens to be true. This is not my opinion either since a simple reading of Genesis confirms that. My argument in no way shows discrimination against homosexuals and your misinterpretation and accusation is not appreciated.
Unless you can biblically prove that God created homosexual sex then all you have is your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion.
Um... care to cite an example of any animal that has sex with other species that it percieves as a different species?
Humans are above animals. But we are still regulated by the same drives as animals. If God gave a drive to animals, and gave the same drive to humans, it seems difficult to reason that he is OK with one such drive, and not with the other.I guess you don't believe in 1 Corinthians either.Did you get the part about the different 'flesh"? I noticed that you didn't address that part.
Humans are above animals. Their being created as a likeness of god proves that.
BTW- Yes, I like this argument because is scriptural.
The debate has been raging across the boards for some time now and I have added my oar into the heady mix from time to time. Perhaps I should make my position somewhat clearer.
So why are you so quick to claim case closed on an issue drenched in ambiguity and misinterpretation?
Its hilarious to see arguments like 'animals do it so we can too' since a lot of animals also eat their own feces....hardly anything I plan on doing, but it would seemingly be acceptable if we're going to compare man to animals to find what IS acceptable behavior.I love the way the natural world is the template by which humanity must be measured...
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