How does this work in a home church? I personally don't believe in paying 10% of your income in the form of a tithe, but I do believe in offerings. How does this work in a home church?
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Home Church tithes and offerings?
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However you want it to. Check the IRS reg's and make sure your ducks are in a row and open a checking account. Keep careful and thorough records. It all depends on how formal and organized you want to be.
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I have found the site home church help extremely helpful and very very informative on alot of things.
concerning tithes and offerings, here is the link
since i can't put in a link yet
the url is www homechurchhelp dot com slash tithing dot html
concerning tithes and offerings, here is the link
since i can't put in a link yet
the url is www homechurchhelp dot com slash tithing dot html
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What's the basis of your beliefs of not tithing?Do you have scriptures you are standing on?
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Being part of a growing home church (simple church/organic church) it has
different names, has been great!
The key is love, and not religion.
religion (or your own self effort) makes you do something from a state of obligation.
love (JESUS effort) leads you to do something out of joy.
It is WAY different then any church (building) you ever attended.
There is no need of tithing, the new testament talks about 'freely giving'.
And you can't do that, until you receive from HIM first - then you can
freely give.
Its done in so much love, (and I've seen this over and over again) that
you dont' know who is receiving and who is giving - its done in that much love.
As Shakspeare says "it is twice blessed".
And dont' fool yourself, there are 613 OT laws, and you are obligated to keep
all of them - who gave you the right to 'pick and choose'. If you want to tithe, then you are obligated to keep all the laws.
NOTE: YOU CAN'T! If you could, then you don't need JESUS.
GRACE is completely different, it recognizes that the laws (rules/commands) break us as we've broken them, and we realize that we are NOTHING without JESUS.
So that when its all said and done - its simply JESUS.
Not JESUS plus anything. But HIM alone.
And we love HIM by loving each other, as HIS love flows through us.
Then giving flows - and its fun and easy!
-eric
different names, has been great!
The key is love, and not religion.
religion (or your own self effort) makes you do something from a state of obligation.
love (JESUS effort) leads you to do something out of joy.
It is WAY different then any church (building) you ever attended.
There is no need of tithing, the new testament talks about 'freely giving'.
And you can't do that, until you receive from HIM first - then you can
freely give.
Its done in so much love, (and I've seen this over and over again) that
you dont' know who is receiving and who is giving - its done in that much love.
As Shakspeare says "it is twice blessed".
And dont' fool yourself, there are 613 OT laws, and you are obligated to keep
all of them - who gave you the right to 'pick and choose'. If you want to tithe, then you are obligated to keep all the laws.
NOTE: YOU CAN'T! If you could, then you don't need JESUS.
GRACE is completely different, it recognizes that the laws (rules/commands) break us as we've broken them, and we realize that we are NOTHING without JESUS.
So that when its all said and done - its simply JESUS.
Not JESUS plus anything. But HIM alone.
And we love HIM by loving each other, as HIS love flows through us.
Then giving flows - and its fun and easy!
-eric
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I have already addressed the issue of tithes above with scriptures.Matthew 23:23 and others.Also note that tithing came before the law,Abraham tithed to Melchizedek so you can take away the tithe from the law,Jacob did talk about tithes long before the law.In Hebrews tithes are talked about and the church in Acts gave on the first day of the week as God had prospered them.
You mention love and grace.Love does not mean anything goes.Look e.g Romans 12,we are beseeached to be transformed and put the flesh under.In Galatians we are told not to fornicate or keep company with fornicators.Shall we continue living in sin (Romans 6) so that grace can abound?We are under grace,the scriptures are not written so we can sin but if we sin then God has done something about it.Did he do things so we could live anyhow because we are under sin?What about that we are crucified with Christ and the life we now live is in Christ.I obviously do not want to divert from the issue of tithing so apologies for taking a detour.
You mention love and grace.Love does not mean anything goes.Look e.g Romans 12,we are beseeached to be transformed and put the flesh under.In Galatians we are told not to fornicate or keep company with fornicators.Shall we continue living in sin (Romans 6) so that grace can abound?We are under grace,the scriptures are not written so we can sin but if we sin then God has done something about it.Did he do things so we could live anyhow because we are under sin?What about that we are crucified with Christ and the life we now live is in Christ.I obviously do not want to divert from the issue of tithing so apologies for taking a detour.
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Everyone thinks of tithing as money, but why not give your time and skills instead. Mow their lawn, shovel the snow, paint the room, fix their computer. Whatever has great value to you is what God wants as a tithe and time is one of our most valuable assets.
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At least one good deed a day instead of a random act of kindness for someone God puts in my path. Then I feel like I've put myself in a position that God can use me to do his will. If the act of kindness is returned with evil then it's still God's will that I learn to discern.
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Obedience is better than sacrifice.When you give your life to Christ you enter into a covenant like the Israelites did.You live by the word of God.It is a very simple life,what the word of God says is what you act on.So regarding the tithe you do not choose how and what to tithe.You simply give the 10% to God because it is God's.God gave you the job or business you are into and the very life you have.All he wants from your earnings is 10% and you keep the 90%.He does that so he can bless the remaining 90%.That's God's way of blessing you.If you decide to give your time cutting the lawn,fixing computers that's from your heart and that is called an offering.You cant even give an offering before tithing.You cant rob God first then go on to give God an offering,technically God calls that an abomination.
If you find it difficult to give tithes you might want to examine your heart.Jesus said where your treasure is where your heart is.
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Jesus made it abundantly clear that the woman who gave more than all the rest was the widow who had nothing to left to give from. There were 13 boxes. 12 for men and one for women, traditionally. Those who give from their plenty are ill advised to tell those who should be the recipients of kindness to live in harder conditions to fulfill law. Jesus also said that those who pay temple taxes are not the heirs.
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The scriptures are full of tithing from Abraham to the new testament. Some tithe their time instaed of money. That can be perverted as well when one is greedy and they have extra time on their hands. After all, the word is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Tithing money is a sacrifice that is acceptable when people have to truly sacrifice to give it. It means little when it comes from an abundance.
When a home church is set up properly there should be an anointed man of God leading it. Or, an anointed man of God and his wife if he is married. The tithes are to be used for the church just as if giving to a large denominational church.
In our case, nobody that tithes wants any governmental priveledges. They give cash wanting nothing in return. The church has gotten so used to tax priveledges they have turned tithing into nothing more than a pyramid scam. Have they no fear of God? How do they think the Lord feels when they only give to get ten-fold or one hundred fold back!
The love and grace issues are being perverted and damning souls.
The word of God says that the Lord delights in a just weight and an equal balance. Faith is to be balanced out with works. Each alone is dead. Love should be balanced with fear. Each alone is fear. The scriptures are clear that many leave their "first love" and that the Lord delights in them that fear him.
Regardless of how a person wants to believe, tithing is scriptural and fearing the Lord is as well.
In the near future all these mega churches will start losing their following when not only will their sin be revealed, but when the government cracks down on them. The last thing these rich men want is to lose their following or to pay taxes.
Furthermore, when the government starts using Eminent Domain, these churches that pay no taxes will see their land taken to be sold to companies that will build businesses that will pay taxes. It's coming. Just as sure as every sin and abomination being justified by twisting scripture has. In that one hour of temptation this great harlot called mainstream christianity will come to nothing and those who have gotten rich from her will lament.
As the owner of a home church, I do not want the government sticking it's nose into my affairs. Tithe money is used to renovate the chapel and considered a gift.
There are no attendance rolls nor any governing body to limit the leading of the Spirit of God. If people want to come, they come. If they want to give, they give.
The Lord weighs the hearts and takes note.
As for me, if nobody gives I am willing to work to get what I need and do the work myself. Just as it should be.
I hope this helps.
Tithing money is a sacrifice that is acceptable when people have to truly sacrifice to give it. It means little when it comes from an abundance.
When a home church is set up properly there should be an anointed man of God leading it. Or, an anointed man of God and his wife if he is married. The tithes are to be used for the church just as if giving to a large denominational church.
In our case, nobody that tithes wants any governmental priveledges. They give cash wanting nothing in return. The church has gotten so used to tax priveledges they have turned tithing into nothing more than a pyramid scam. Have they no fear of God? How do they think the Lord feels when they only give to get ten-fold or one hundred fold back!
The love and grace issues are being perverted and damning souls.
The word of God says that the Lord delights in a just weight and an equal balance. Faith is to be balanced out with works. Each alone is dead. Love should be balanced with fear. Each alone is fear. The scriptures are clear that many leave their "first love" and that the Lord delights in them that fear him.
Regardless of how a person wants to believe, tithing is scriptural and fearing the Lord is as well.
In the near future all these mega churches will start losing their following when not only will their sin be revealed, but when the government cracks down on them. The last thing these rich men want is to lose their following or to pay taxes.
Furthermore, when the government starts using Eminent Domain, these churches that pay no taxes will see their land taken to be sold to companies that will build businesses that will pay taxes. It's coming. Just as sure as every sin and abomination being justified by twisting scripture has. In that one hour of temptation this great harlot called mainstream christianity will come to nothing and those who have gotten rich from her will lament.
As the owner of a home church, I do not want the government sticking it's nose into my affairs. Tithe money is used to renovate the chapel and considered a gift.
There are no attendance rolls nor any governing body to limit the leading of the Spirit of God. If people want to come, they come. If they want to give, they give.
The Lord weighs the hearts and takes note.
As for me, if nobody gives I am willing to work to get what I need and do the work myself. Just as it should be.
I hope this helps.
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Paul spake of bringing the increase. Some things do not have to be spelled out to know what they are talking about.
But, the word is also a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Some will search the scriptures to see how they can be more zealous, obedient and pleasing unto the Lord.
Others will search the scriptures to see how they can justify sin or get by without being zealous, obedient or pleasing unto the Lord.
All in either case will give an answer at the judgment seat of Christ.
I would rather have the answer in being zealous, obedient and pleasing unto the Lord.
But, the word is also a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Some will search the scriptures to see how they can be more zealous, obedient and pleasing unto the Lord.
Others will search the scriptures to see how they can justify sin or get by without being zealous, obedient or pleasing unto the Lord.
All in either case will give an answer at the judgment seat of Christ.
I would rather have the answer in being zealous, obedient and pleasing unto the Lord.
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If I say that there is one bathroom where I live I am talking about my home.
Yet I did not say home.
As I said, some things like tithing are said without being said.
It's what's in man's heart that matters.
Some will try anything to keep their green god.
All they do is damn the soul of themselves and those who take their words to heart.
But:
Sowing a seed of faith offering in reference to money is not mentioned either in the context of money. Jesus said the seed is the word.
Expecting ten times the return on your offering is a pyramid scheme that would infuriate the Lord and go against his word.
Yet people will follow this heresy without question.
Crystal Cathedrals, Prayer Towers and Tribulation Backpacks (Jim Baker) are not mentioned in the word of God either.
Yet, because these highly esteemed men preach monetary blessings from giving to their abominable ministries people believe them and send them money even though the word says that he that maketh or believeth a lie shall not inherit the kingdom of God and the word says men of high degree are a lie.
They send money and make these men of high degree, or lies not even being taught that the Lord will take the wise in their craftiness and they are but waiting to be damned.
Most churches in the new testament by name are the houses of the saints.
There is no mention of Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostals in the new testament by name either.
There is no mention of many things in the new testament and that does not mean that we do not have to honor it. Tithing is indeed scriptural and just because it is not mentioned by name does not make it less a part of the word of God.
Maybe if people would take their focus off this world and stop trying to twist or misuse the word of God for a dollar or to keep from giving unto God a portion of what David said was God's anyway there would be less people that would go to hell.
The very act of using scripture to teach contrary to the word of God is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Yet I did not say home.
As I said, some things like tithing are said without being said.
It's what's in man's heart that matters.
Some will try anything to keep their green god.
All they do is damn the soul of themselves and those who take their words to heart.
But:
Sowing a seed of faith offering in reference to money is not mentioned either in the context of money. Jesus said the seed is the word.
Expecting ten times the return on your offering is a pyramid scheme that would infuriate the Lord and go against his word.
Yet people will follow this heresy without question.
Crystal Cathedrals, Prayer Towers and Tribulation Backpacks (Jim Baker) are not mentioned in the word of God either.
Yet, because these highly esteemed men preach monetary blessings from giving to their abominable ministries people believe them and send them money even though the word says that he that maketh or believeth a lie shall not inherit the kingdom of God and the word says men of high degree are a lie.
They send money and make these men of high degree, or lies not even being taught that the Lord will take the wise in their craftiness and they are but waiting to be damned.
Most churches in the new testament by name are the houses of the saints.
There is no mention of Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostals in the new testament by name either.
There is no mention of many things in the new testament and that does not mean that we do not have to honor it. Tithing is indeed scriptural and just because it is not mentioned by name does not make it less a part of the word of God.
Maybe if people would take their focus off this world and stop trying to twist or misuse the word of God for a dollar or to keep from giving unto God a portion of what David said was God's anyway there would be less people that would go to hell.
The very act of using scripture to teach contrary to the word of God is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
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For those who want to play the word game and say tithing isn't written in the new testament consider this.
Maybe you can't believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God that was crucified on a cross for our sins as the word does not say in the old testament the words "Jesus Christ" and "cross."
Sacrifices were on an "alter" and not a cross.
There is no mention in the old testament that Jesus Christ would cast out demons.
There is no mention in the old testament that those who followed the Lamb,Captain, Man of war, etc (not Jesus Christ) would receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
There is no mention that it would be a "Roman" that would try "Jesus Christ."
There is no mention that there would be "12 apostles" or that one of the Jewish "apostles" would be named "Paul" and an apostle unto the Gentiles.
So, since it says unto us A child (not Jesus Christ) is born and unto us A son (not Jesus Christ) people shouldn't believe it is Jesus since he is not mentioned by name. Which child and which son?
And, if it isn't Jesus who isn't mentioned by name then we are still under the old law since it cannot be believed that Jesus died for our sins and all are still guilty before God.
I guess if the obedience of tithing isn't to be followed as an offering by sacrifice which the word says the Lord delights in, then those who don't believe in tithing don't believe in the other things not written.
Hence, their faith is partial at best and they really don't believe at all.
By faith we believe the "tree" was the "cross" though not mentioned. But I guess many want to believe that part to save their lustful little souls while denying the Lord in the word elsewhere.
The word says the wicked study to justify evil and that in a multitude of counsellers there is safety. From the wrath of God.
If we or anyone teach against the multitude of counsellers in any area we are false prophets and doing nothing more than damning them who take heed to our words, whether spoken or written since scripture says my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. What people believe in their heart they will speak and what they speak they will write or post to websites.
Maybe you can't believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God that was crucified on a cross for our sins as the word does not say in the old testament the words "Jesus Christ" and "cross."
Sacrifices were on an "alter" and not a cross.
There is no mention in the old testament that Jesus Christ would cast out demons.
There is no mention in the old testament that those who followed the Lamb,Captain, Man of war, etc (not Jesus Christ) would receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
There is no mention that it would be a "Roman" that would try "Jesus Christ."
There is no mention that there would be "12 apostles" or that one of the Jewish "apostles" would be named "Paul" and an apostle unto the Gentiles.
So, since it says unto us A child (not Jesus Christ) is born and unto us A son (not Jesus Christ) people shouldn't believe it is Jesus since he is not mentioned by name. Which child and which son?
And, if it isn't Jesus who isn't mentioned by name then we are still under the old law since it cannot be believed that Jesus died for our sins and all are still guilty before God.
I guess if the obedience of tithing isn't to be followed as an offering by sacrifice which the word says the Lord delights in, then those who don't believe in tithing don't believe in the other things not written.
Hence, their faith is partial at best and they really don't believe at all.
By faith we believe the "tree" was the "cross" though not mentioned. But I guess many want to believe that part to save their lustful little souls while denying the Lord in the word elsewhere.
The word says the wicked study to justify evil and that in a multitude of counsellers there is safety. From the wrath of God.
If we or anyone teach against the multitude of counsellers in any area we are false prophets and doing nothing more than damning them who take heed to our words, whether spoken or written since scripture says my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. What people believe in their heart they will speak and what they speak they will write or post to websites.
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New testament giving and New testament living has nothing to do with any of your own effort which was the old covenant.
New Covenant is all through JESUS who is our representative, just like the old covenant representative was Adam.
Covenant is all by Representation and it works like this:
you are affected by whomever your representative is.
Some of you here, are still under Adam (old covenant) and that is why not so much happens in your spiritual walk, and you still get overwhelmed by the same old sins and anger.
In the new, its all love. And its not your love, its HIS love (which is HIMSELF) flowing through you. Everything works (including faith) through this love.
You pray with this love,
You preach with this love,
You teach and lay hands on people with this love,
You share and give with this love.
It is fantastic, and what fellowship it has.
Of course, if you want to base it on your own effort, your own 10% then you are trying to use part of the law and part of GRACE (which is HIS LOVE in action).
That is a mixed gospel, and makes for zero power, and grumpy grumpy christians.
They sure gave in the New Testament, Love was compelling them.
Some gave way more! And enjoyed it.
The giver and the receiver were both blessed, in fact the many times I've seen this type of (proper) giving, I didn't know who was the giver and who was the receiver. Both were over joyed in the process!
Acts 17 says this: (vs 24-25)
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.
GOD doesn't live in temples or churches (buildings) build by human hands.
Why?
You are the temple of the living GOD, and collectively we make up the CHURCH.
Also vs 25 we find that GOD is not served by human hands.
There is nothing you can do for HIM to serve HIM.
Why?
JESUS did it all, perfect service, perfect obedience, perfect sacrifice!
Also, you can't give anything (not even your 10% tithe) to HIM because HE doesn't need anything. How can the Father, need money from his own children?
What kind of loser Dad is that?
Not my FATHER!
My son once tried to put his little money on the cashier counter when we were buying food, trying to help. Thats is very kind but keep your money, Dad has more than enough to pay.
I guess I'm a better Dad (more loving) then GOD then?
Give up, and let the SPIRIT take control and stop trying to run HIS CHURCH!
And let LOVE flow, and watch the sharing and giving then!
-eric
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New Covenant is all through JESUS who is our representative, just like the old covenant representative was Adam.
Covenant is all by Representation and it works like this:
you are affected by whomever your representative is.
Some of you here, are still under Adam (old covenant) and that is why not so much happens in your spiritual walk, and you still get overwhelmed by the same old sins and anger.
In the new, its all love. And its not your love, its HIS love (which is HIMSELF) flowing through you. Everything works (including faith) through this love.
You pray with this love,
You preach with this love,
You teach and lay hands on people with this love,
You share and give with this love.
It is fantastic, and what fellowship it has.
Of course, if you want to base it on your own effort, your own 10% then you are trying to use part of the law and part of GRACE (which is HIS LOVE in action).
That is a mixed gospel, and makes for zero power, and grumpy grumpy christians.
They sure gave in the New Testament, Love was compelling them.
Some gave way more! And enjoyed it.
The giver and the receiver were both blessed, in fact the many times I've seen this type of (proper) giving, I didn't know who was the giver and who was the receiver. Both were over joyed in the process!
Acts 17 says this: (vs 24-25)
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.
GOD doesn't live in temples or churches (buildings) build by human hands.
Why?
You are the temple of the living GOD, and collectively we make up the CHURCH.
Also vs 25 we find that GOD is not served by human hands.
There is nothing you can do for HIM to serve HIM.
Why?
JESUS did it all, perfect service, perfect obedience, perfect sacrifice!
Also, you can't give anything (not even your 10% tithe) to HIM because HE doesn't need anything. How can the Father, need money from his own children?
What kind of loser Dad is that?
Not my FATHER!
My son once tried to put his little money on the cashier counter when we were buying food, trying to help. Thats is very kind but keep your money, Dad has more than enough to pay.
I guess I'm a better Dad (more loving) then GOD then?
Give up, and let the SPIRIT take control and stop trying to run HIS CHURCH!
And let LOVE flow, and watch the sharing and giving then!
-eric
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It is not a case of God needing anything. It is a case of being obedient and using tithes to support a church when pastors are poor as even those who had lands sold them and distribution was made among the poor.
Love is sharing when one has an abundance and loving the Lord is in being willing to give an offering by sacrifice when finances are tight
Jesus spake of the woman that gave two mites that gave more than the rest. That should tell in it's self just how the Lord feels about giving.
The only love teaching is not scripturally sound as Jesus preached repentance just as John the baptist did before him.
The same Lord that preached love drove the money changers out of the temple which today's money hungry televangelists and churches with book stores and coffee shops should learn from.
The same Lord that preached love is the same one that called the pharisees a nest of vipers. He is the same one that will damn the souls of those who preach and teach rebellion.
The same Lord that preached love said that he always did that which pleased his Father. The sins his Father hated and destroyed nation for he will not tolerate. If he did he would not be doing that which his Father was pleased with.
The same Lord that preached love is the same one that threatened the churches in Asia that if they did not repent he would remove their name from the Book of Life.
The same Jesus that preached love is the same one that is coming back to destroy this world and all who are rebellious and disobedient.
And, the same Jesus that preached love said fear him whom after he hath killed can cast both body and soul in hell.
Jesus did preach love but also preached repentance. He delights in a just weight and an equal balance. The word says any man taught in the kingdom is as a scribe that brings out of his house things both old and new.
The old testament is not to be ignored. The fear of the Lord is not to be spoken against. The wrath of God that John spake of should not be ignored.
Warnings in truth are not to be considered anger. They are what more should be doing to save some souls from hell.
But there shall be a great forsaking in the land and falling away before the end just as the Lord said.
The word is clear in that Jesus Christ is a King and his Father a Great King.
It's time Christians start treating them as such.
Love is sharing when one has an abundance and loving the Lord is in being willing to give an offering by sacrifice when finances are tight
Jesus spake of the woman that gave two mites that gave more than the rest. That should tell in it's self just how the Lord feels about giving.
The only love teaching is not scripturally sound as Jesus preached repentance just as John the baptist did before him.
The same Lord that preached love drove the money changers out of the temple which today's money hungry televangelists and churches with book stores and coffee shops should learn from.
The same Lord that preached love is the same one that called the pharisees a nest of vipers. He is the same one that will damn the souls of those who preach and teach rebellion.
The same Lord that preached love said that he always did that which pleased his Father. The sins his Father hated and destroyed nation for he will not tolerate. If he did he would not be doing that which his Father was pleased with.
The same Lord that preached love is the same one that threatened the churches in Asia that if they did not repent he would remove their name from the Book of Life.
The same Jesus that preached love is the same one that is coming back to destroy this world and all who are rebellious and disobedient.
And, the same Jesus that preached love said fear him whom after he hath killed can cast both body and soul in hell.
Jesus did preach love but also preached repentance. He delights in a just weight and an equal balance. The word says any man taught in the kingdom is as a scribe that brings out of his house things both old and new.
The old testament is not to be ignored. The fear of the Lord is not to be spoken against. The wrath of God that John spake of should not be ignored.
Warnings in truth are not to be considered anger. They are what more should be doing to save some souls from hell.
But there shall be a great forsaking in the land and falling away before the end just as the Lord said.
The word is clear in that Jesus Christ is a King and his Father a Great King.
It's time Christians start treating them as such.
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The problem you have Frank1, is your basing your obedience on your giving and your effort.
Me, I base it on 100% of what JESUS did, and so my dependence and life itself is HIM flowing through me.
And by the way, HE (GOD) doesn't need anything and either do we.
Because all things are yours (already). 1 Corinthians 3:21-23
And having nothing yet possessing Everything! 2 Corinthians 6:10
So, why others try to obey their 'hand picked' laws (like tithing) which the Jews to this day wonder why us Christians try to keep a law that they themselves dont keep. What is amazing about that, is that they are the worlds 'record keepers/law keepers'.
They 'master' in the keeping the law category. They think they perfected it even to this day.
JESUS is the only one who perfected it!
And the Jews don't keep that law anymore. (they try to keep the others, and can't)
And the danger for you, is that when you try to keep one law, you are required to keep them all. There are 613 O.T. laws, so what gives you the 'right' to decide which ones you keep and which ones you don't? Galatians 5:4
Because it either JESUS keeping them, and so do you by faith, or you MUST keep them all, and stand before GOD on your own.
Believe by faith, or (try) to justify yourself by your own effort.
Believe and resting is way better and opens up life to abundance.
-eric
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”12 Galatians 3:10-12
The Exchanged Life
Me, I base it on 100% of what JESUS did, and so my dependence and life itself is HIM flowing through me.
And by the way, HE (GOD) doesn't need anything and either do we.
Because all things are yours (already). 1 Corinthians 3:21-23
And having nothing yet possessing Everything! 2 Corinthians 6:10
So, why others try to obey their 'hand picked' laws (like tithing) which the Jews to this day wonder why us Christians try to keep a law that they themselves dont keep. What is amazing about that, is that they are the worlds 'record keepers/law keepers'.
They 'master' in the keeping the law category. They think they perfected it even to this day.
JESUS is the only one who perfected it!
And the Jews don't keep that law anymore. (they try to keep the others, and can't)
And the danger for you, is that when you try to keep one law, you are required to keep them all. There are 613 O.T. laws, so what gives you the 'right' to decide which ones you keep and which ones you don't? Galatians 5:4
Because it either JESUS keeping them, and so do you by faith, or you MUST keep them all, and stand before GOD on your own.
Believe by faith, or (try) to justify yourself by your own effort.
Believe and resting is way better and opens up life to abundance.
-eric
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”12 Galatians 3:10-12
The Exchanged Life
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Eric,
I do not base my salvation on the law as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from the law of sin and death.
I base my salvation in faith that the Son of God gave his life to ransom me from death.
I still believe that we are to be obedient and gave more than enough reasons why.
The problem that you have is that you fail to see that the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The Lord knows how to try his saints and take the wise in their craftiness.
In the issue of tithing it is clear that the very mention of it causes those who have made a god out of money to rebel while those who are thankful for the sacrifice at Calvary and acknowledge that they were purchased by the blood of Christ are obedient to the issue of tithing as they are using that money to further the ministry. Whether it be by supporting the church or helping a brother or sister in need so that the scripture is fulfilled saying he that gathered much had nothing over while he that gathered little had no lack.
Tithing manifests the selfishness and lust of the very thing that the word says the love of is the root of all evil. People will go to great measures to try to make tithing unimportant while ignoring or being willingly ignorant of the fact that it tests their loyalty to the one who purchased them. Just as the Lord did not clear the land of the seven adversaries of the children of Israel to prove their loyalty and love of him.
And, people are quick to claim to be Christians but don't even love him enough to make an offering by sacrifice. They don't even love him enough to see the importance of tithing in respect to helping their brother or sister in their need. Or, as written seeing your brother in need and saying be comforted without providing for that need, there is no love in that.
Tithing is a way in which the pastor can pass on the money to a brother or sister in need without embarrassing them by giving it to them in front of the flock or mentioning them and their need to embarrass them. It is also a way in which a poor working preacher can support his family rather than use state aid or any other government assistance.
All the above show the love of God in which many who claim to be Christians forget and do not fulfill the royal commandment to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy soul and all thy strength and all thy might AND THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. There is no love in stubborn and selfish turning away from tithing so that some can receive that which they need in secret.
There is no trying to keep the law in this matter. It is loving the Lord enough to be obedient without having to be told. And Jesus did indeed preach being obedient. He said if you love me you will do as I say. And tithing is a way to help or love your neighbor as yourself as he commanded.
There has to be two witnesses to every matter.
Saying you love your brother but without works to manifest that faith or saying it is nothing but mere lip service. As written,. they honor me with their mouth but their heart is far from me. And it truly shows when saints are asked to tithe.
Trying to keep the law, hardly.
Trying to warn some money hungry people that they need to be obedient unto the Lord who purchased them with his blood and save them from heading to hell is more like it.
Even though they use every excuse imaginable to avoid tithing.
I do not base my salvation on the law as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from the law of sin and death.
I base my salvation in faith that the Son of God gave his life to ransom me from death.
I still believe that we are to be obedient and gave more than enough reasons why.
The problem that you have is that you fail to see that the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The Lord knows how to try his saints and take the wise in their craftiness.
In the issue of tithing it is clear that the very mention of it causes those who have made a god out of money to rebel while those who are thankful for the sacrifice at Calvary and acknowledge that they were purchased by the blood of Christ are obedient to the issue of tithing as they are using that money to further the ministry. Whether it be by supporting the church or helping a brother or sister in need so that the scripture is fulfilled saying he that gathered much had nothing over while he that gathered little had no lack.
Tithing manifests the selfishness and lust of the very thing that the word says the love of is the root of all evil. People will go to great measures to try to make tithing unimportant while ignoring or being willingly ignorant of the fact that it tests their loyalty to the one who purchased them. Just as the Lord did not clear the land of the seven adversaries of the children of Israel to prove their loyalty and love of him.
And, people are quick to claim to be Christians but don't even love him enough to make an offering by sacrifice. They don't even love him enough to see the importance of tithing in respect to helping their brother or sister in their need. Or, as written seeing your brother in need and saying be comforted without providing for that need, there is no love in that.
Tithing is a way in which the pastor can pass on the money to a brother or sister in need without embarrassing them by giving it to them in front of the flock or mentioning them and their need to embarrass them. It is also a way in which a poor working preacher can support his family rather than use state aid or any other government assistance.
All the above show the love of God in which many who claim to be Christians forget and do not fulfill the royal commandment to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy soul and all thy strength and all thy might AND THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. There is no love in stubborn and selfish turning away from tithing so that some can receive that which they need in secret.
There is no trying to keep the law in this matter. It is loving the Lord enough to be obedient without having to be told. And Jesus did indeed preach being obedient. He said if you love me you will do as I say. And tithing is a way to help or love your neighbor as yourself as he commanded.
There has to be two witnesses to every matter.
Saying you love your brother but without works to manifest that faith or saying it is nothing but mere lip service. As written,. they honor me with their mouth but their heart is far from me. And it truly shows when saints are asked to tithe.
Trying to keep the law, hardly.
Trying to warn some money hungry people that they need to be obedient unto the Lord who purchased them with his blood and save them from heading to hell is more like it.
Even though they use every excuse imaginable to avoid tithing.
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