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well I'm pretty confused about this topic..but I definately think it's about loving him............................................
there are a lot of things 'in my way' to live a holy life... I mean self, then I'm sometimes like questioning everything..like I'm not quite sure what God actually wants me to do...l it's not really that I'm 'trying too hard..it's just that wow.......sometimes I just don't know what God really expects from me and feel all pressed cause......wow you can look at 'everything' like a failure/ sin and I mean it's true I guess you could always be better, do more..
but it leads me to feeling so guilty I end up getting bitter like there's no way I could ever manage this I'll always be wrong.....
I dunno it's not cool :(
 
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Originally posted by GoDowNsMe
well I'm pretty confused about this topic..but I definately think it's about loving him............................................
there are a lot of things 'in my way' to live a holy life... I mean self, then I'm sometimes like questioning everything..like I'm not quite sure what God actually wants me to do...l it's not really that I'm 'trying too hard..it's just that wow.......sometimes I just don't know what God really expects from me and feel all pressed cause......wow you can look at 'everything' like a failure/ sin and I mean it's true I guess you could always be better, do more..
but it leads me to feeling so guilty I end up getting bitter like there's no way I could ever manage this I'll always be wrong.....
I dunno it's not cool :(

If you want to know what God expects of you it is really quite easy. It is ALL in writing. Read His Word. AT least read the Book of St. John. Jesus has it all layed out for us. If you read nothing else but that Boof, you will know what is expected of you. I promise.

And YES, you WILL always be wrong, if you rely on yourself to do it. That is why Jesus came to live in our hearts. It is by HIS power and HIS might and HISstrength that we are able to do anything at all. We can do NOTHING on our own, except fail.

As Christians we have no life apart from Christ. NONE!

Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

You see, only when we abide IN Him are we even alive!
 
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is santification a way to holiness?

um.. basically, it's following God's word right? coz our pastor said it once at fellowship, he asked what would one do once one become christian, everyone gave all sorts of answers.. like, witnessing, love others, help and care for others... etc etc, and he gave out the word "Holy" at the end.
 
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mhh I'm guessing it's like I sometimes get the idea God would want me to do certain things, and some would be totally horrible (like I start feeling guilty because of....."everything" I dunno. I don't know what it is--but it's hard to say no that's not true, cause I don't really know then.

it's not only about 'sin' I guess....it could just be my personality...or whatever yesterday I really freaked over my dad being mad at me cause I wouldn't answer the phone (well long story it was kinda my fault but you know I'd not think that's a sin at all 'actually' but you get that impression when everyone's mad at you)
...it's stuff like that ..about reading the bible....it's not just that but I can't really see my loving father in these words anymore don't know why I think it just has to do with my attitude..I even started getting 'a bit' bitter against God....
I mean when I think God is mad at me and can't just believe He forgives right when I ask for forgiveness (I mean he does right ?)
it's like ya know when I can't "depend" or whatever on God aynymore it's like (well not just like) I have nothing......

well don't get bothered it goes up & down sometimes but I somehow always (?) know I'l be carried out there :)

wow thanks :):)l
 
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Originally posted by Blessed-one
is santification a way to holiness?

um.. basically, it's following God's word right? coz our pastor said it once at fellowship, he asked what would one do once one become christian, everyone gave all sorts of answers.. like, witnessing, love others, help and care for others... etc etc, and he gave out the word "Holy" at the end.

It was always my dream that these forums could be used to discuss these things in depth and to learn together from God's Word. Regretably it does not often work that way.

It is because of your question that I would love to see a discussion on the tion (SHUN) words:Justification, Redemption, Santification. Glorification, Preservation, Reconciliation, Imputation, supplication, Regeneration, Adoption, Conversion, Substitution, Remission, Propition. Wellm you get the idea! They all have a very special and important meaning, yet the average "teacher" I run across on the net cannot tell you the difference and what makes them importane.

Let me give you a definition of Sanctification. The word is used well over 1,000 times in the Bible and always means the same thing. "To be set apart".

In the OT we are given many examples of Sanctification. Not only were people to be sanctified (Lev. 11:44) but objects were also sanctified: gates, lands, houses, tents, buildings, etc.

God sanctified Christ:

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Christ sanctified Himself and us:John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Well I am going too deep and beyond the scope of the question.

At any rate you asked is sanctification a way to Holiness? Well, YES. We can never be holy till we set ourselves apart to be holy. That is until we sactify ourselves to Him!
 
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Let me give you a definition of Sanctification. The word is used well over 1,000 times in the Bible and always means the same thing. "To be set apart".

Justification, Redemption, Santification. Glorification, Preservation, Reconciliation, Imputation, supplication, Regeneration, Adoption, Conversion, Substitution, Remission, Propition.

hey, thanks for the definition, so santification is to be set apart from the world i.e. to follow God's word. cool.

wow, that is a long list of big words!
we're justified through faith, redempted by Christ and reconciled to Him, adopted to be His children....
i'd like to see that discussion too Gerry, unfortunately i don't know much about it so i can't offer much... :)
 
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