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It's Crow Eating Time In Hollywood [font="verdana, arial, helvetica"]target=_blank>http://www.newsmax.com/showinsideco...003/4/11/225111[/font]



It's Crow Eating Time In Hollywood

Martin Sheen, who thinks he's really president even if her only plays one on television promised Hollywood Reporter correspondent Paul Bond he’d buy him dinner if he was proved wrong about his rabid anti-war stand - and now that he has been, Bond hasn't heard a word from him.

It could be he realizes that the main dish he'll be served is a generous helping of crow.

As Bond relates on the April 11 FrontPagemagazine.com, he was quizzing Sheen and fellow Saddam appeasers such as Mike Farrell and a host of other activist-actors about how they'd react if U.S. forces were greeted by cheering Iraqis if we invaded their country.

At a news conference in December where Sheen, Farrell and a dozen others announced the formation of the group Artists United to Win Without War, Bond asked: "If we militarily go (to Iraq) and do a regime change, and you see Iraqis coming forward saying, 'Thank God we no longer have to live under (Saddam Hussein's) tyrannical rule, his torturous regime,' if you see Iraqis dancing in the streets a la Afghanis, would you publicly change your position? Would you consider that you might be wrong?"

Sheen's reply: "Oh, I'm always open to the possibility that I'm wrong."

Undaunted, Bond pressed on: "Would you publicly state that maybe your group was wrong after a successful war with minimal casualties? I've seen lots of these things before," Bond continued. "I don't recall any celebrity making a big splash about anything and then publicly saying, 'You know, maybe we might have been wrong.' And I'm wondering if there's a possibility you might be wrong and if you would admit it?" "

"Are you saying we're going to eat our words?" Sheen asked Bond.

"I'm saying, if you do, would you publicly state so?" Bond replied

"That's when Sheen promised me a dinner where we'd 'see who eats what.'

A few weeks later, Bond had a similar conversation with highly vocal antiwar activist and comedienne Janeane Garofalo.

"There's no way a war in Iraq will go well," Garofalo assured Bond.

"If you're wrong and we defeat them with minimal casualties, and the Iraqi people say 'God Bless America for removing Saddam Hussein,' will you admit you were wrong?" Bond asked

"I want to be wrong," Garofalo answered. "I would hold a press conference. I'll bring orchids to Laura Bush and Dick Cheney!"

Bond said he is yet to receive an invitation to a Garofalo press conference or to a dinner with Sheen. What he did get was an invitation Wednesday to a meeting of Not in Our Name (NION).

NION, he explained is one of the more radical of the antiwar groups, and embraced by such ultra-left wing celebrities as Susan Sarandon, Ed Asner, Oliver Stone and Danny Glover.

NION has helped organize "peace" rallies sometimes 200,000-strong, and boasts that theirs is a worldwide organization, Bond said, adding that he thought Wednesday's meeting would be particularly interesting, being that the peace movement suffered a major setback that day, such as those televised images of Iraqis waving American flags and kissing photos of President Bush.

He says he was wrong.

At 6:30 p.m., when the meeting was scheduled to begin, he reports that there were just eight people in attendance. By 7 p.m. it had grown to 34 people, but two of those were a TV news crew.

The U.S. military is causing "death and carnage to the people of Iraq," one attendee said. "The resistance in not over," said another.

During a private conversation with the group's media coordinator Bond was told that, even during the meatiest days of the antiwar movement the L.A. chapter of NION attracted only about 50 people to its meetings. "Then I asked my favorite question: ‘What will it take to make you admit you might be wrong?’ ” he recalled

"There's more than one answer to your question," the genial young man began, before Bond cut him off with specific hypotheticals.

"They could find nuclear bombs in 16 different locations in Iraq and NION will still say the war was wrong?"

Not getting a straight answer, Bond says he "upped the ante a bit. Then a bit more."

"How about if we find 16,000 different torture chambers and 14 million Iraqis go on the record saying, 'God Bless America, we don't have to be tortured any more.' Then would NION say, 'Maybe we were wrong?'"

"Sure," the NION representative conceded.

Bond said he's still vainly searching for that most elusive of all people - "a repentant antiwar activist."

And waiting for Sheen to turn up to eat crow, presumably right after Garofalo's press conference when she sends those orchids to Laura Bush and Dick Cheney.

It'll be a long wait, Paul.
 

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It's been my experience that the only thing worse than a poor loser is a gloating winner. What purpose will it serve for these people to admit they may have been wrong? People make wrong judgements all of the time, and I find it a bit petty that it's of any significance whether or not anyone publically admits they were mistaken.

I have supported action in Iraq before action was a national issue, but I really could care less if anyone I have debated the issue with admits any incorrect statements. The troops are still over there, they are still in danger, and Iraq has a HUGE road ahead of it before being able to claim absolute victorious freedom. Attempting to publically humiliate opposers does nothing to change those facts.
 
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Humility is a virtue in short supply in Hollywood these days.

Maybe it's because they've all been bathed in all this Tinseltown adulation for so long, they've actually started to believe they really are something special.

Hint: it's all an illusion, O Hollywood actors.

Real life is not the same thing as imitations of it on celluloid.
 
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Oh WoW! This subject is one of my favorites recently :clap:

First of all (Before I start my rant) everyone (even Hollywood) is entitled to their own opinion. (Unfortunatly even the very misinformed are entitled) BUT... they tend many of the outspoken tend to ignore that the reason they are able to make these obsurd statements is because of the men who have died in situations like the men (and women) in Iraq right now.

Second, I do not remember electing ANY of these "Stars" to ANY office what-so-ever. I do not remember asking ANY of them to be spokespeople for our country.

I think the media needs to start paying more attention to the Americans who have spent time under Saddams horrible regime. They need to pay more attention to the Soldiers here in the states, the ones who got deployment orders but do to some mistake are still here. They need to pay more attention to the Veterans of past wars, the ones who understand why these men and women are giving their lives for this small country so far away.
 
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Here's something I've noticed:

*The comment has been made over and over about how insignificant the anti-war cries of Hollywood are. Yet Hollywood's opposition to the war is one of the most discussed topics here.

*Some have stated that celebrities should keep their opinions to themselves when it comes to anything remotely associated with anti-war/peace. But your complaining gives their opinions twice the exposure they would initially have had.

*The majority of negative expressions that are directed towards celebrity war opposers are, in my interpretation, fits of jealousy. Acted on the part of fear, that celebrities' voices are heard and yours aren't.

Let celebrities say what they will about this war, and you say what you will about the war, then get on with your life. Your complaining is starting to sound like a record that skips over and over and over. I'm sick of hearing it.
 
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Today at 08:05 PM two feathers said this in Post #6

Here's something I've noticed:

*The comment has been made over and over about how insignificant the anti-war cries of Hollywood are. Yet Hollywood's opposition to the war is one of the most discussed topics here.

*Some have stated that celebrities should keep their opinions to themselves when it comes to anything remotely associated with anti-war/peace. But your complaining gives their opinions twice the exposure they would initially have had.

*The majority of negative expressions that are directed towards celebrity war opposers are, in my interpretation, fits of jealousy. Acted on the part of fear, that celebrities' voices are heard and yours aren't.

Let celebrities say what they will about this war, and you say what you will about the war, then get on with your life. Your complaining is starting to sound like a record that skips over and over and over. I'm sick of hearing it.


It seems to be a double edged&nbsp;sword here. Who have we heard and rant repetively the most? Anti-War Propaganda never ending stream of it and most of it none materialised
 
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It serves a very important purpose for people to admit they were wrong - it makes it easier for them to do so next time, because, if you haven't died yet, the chances are pretty good you'll be wrong sometimes. Learning to admit your mistakes is spiritually healthy, not to mention a good thing if you want any credibility.
 
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Let celebrities say what they will about this war, and you say what you will about the war, then get on with your life. Your complaining is starting to sound like a record that skips over and over and over. I'm sick of hearing it.

Well, since the war movie revenues are reported to be down 18% and that's the kind of thing that gets Hollywood's attention, not really a broken record in that regard.
As for sick of hearing about it, why reply to the thread?
 
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Today at 02:40 PM Dewjunkie said this in Post #9

I agree seebs, but when it's coerced, (or worse, demanded), it becomes insincere and said benefits are negated.

Yeah. A little bit of nagging isn't so bad, but past that, it becomes a problem. I think it's not unreasonable to call someone, once, on not following through, or not admitting to being wrong... past that, it's just stirring up strife.
 
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Today at 03:00 PM seebs said this in Post #11



Yeah. A little bit of nagging isn't so bad, but past that, it becomes a problem. I think it's not unreasonable to call someone, once, on not following through, or not admitting to being wrong... past that, it's just stirring up strife.

Oh, you are sooooooo right!
 
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Yesterday at 03:58 PM cenimo said this in Post #10


Well, since the war movie revenues are reported to be down 18% and that's the kind of thing that gets Hollywood's attention, not really a broken record in that regard.
As for sick of hearing about it, why reply to the thread?


I'd think that'd be more because people are staying home to watch war news rather than going to movies.&nbsp;
 
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It's the silence from these stars now at this time that interests me seeing that they were so vocal before. In all honesty I hope they remain silent since I believe their silence speaks volumes.&nbsp;

They don't have to eat crow but it's good that the easily swayed people who listened to them before this war can now start to think for themselves. It was those fans of theirs that worshiped them that gave them the base of power to misguide others. Let's face it, not all of us have the ability to think for ourselves!
 
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Yesterday at 12:06 PM cenimo said this in Post #1

It's Crow Eating Time In Hollywood [font="verdana, arial, helvetica"]target=_blank&gt;http://www.newsmax.com/showinsideco...003/4/11/225111[/font]Bond said he's still vainly searching for that most elusive of all people - "a repentant antiwar activist."

And waiting for Sheen to turn up to eat crow, presumably right after Garofalo's press conference when she sends those orchids to Laura Bush and Dick Cheney.

So the war is over? Everything is all settled in Iraq? Wow, I'm glad to hear that since that isn't what I'm seeing on the news. Can someone quote the source of this wonderful news.
:rolleyes:
 
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I'm still waiting for all those ?stars? to keep their word. Most of those mentioned in this post had threatened to leave the country if George W. Bush were elected president. Shall we offer them a one-way plane ticket?

BTW Has anyone seen the comparison of the education of the ?stars? who say that the president is stupid along with the administration?

I don't have it here but it went like this:
One of those ?stars?, Cher only went to the ninth grade. All but one only went to 12th grade. Only Susan Sharadon had graduated college and has a degree in drama.

The administration's accomplishments were astounding. President Bush graduated Harvard, has an MBA, ran several buninesses etc. Colin Powell, Condaleena Rice, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield- They all have outstanding educations and experience.

It was kind of like a kindergarten student telling the principal that he is dumb.

Does anyone have a link to that comparison?

Patrick

PS: Talk about serving crow- Sheryl Crow is one of those who have nothing to crow about so she puts down the president instead.
 
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Today at 09:25 PM blindfaith said this in Post #17

It's never enough, is it? ::shrugs::

It doesn't really matter ~ the Iraqi's have been liberated; a majority are happy about it; and those throughout the world, those who don't live in Iraq who don't like it ~ tough.

my thoughts excatly

oh by THE way hi


B F :wave:
 
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Today at 10:01 PM panterapat said this in Post #18

I'm still waiting for all those ?stars? to keep their word. Most of those mentioned in this post had threatened to leave the country if George W. Bush were elected president. Shall we offer them a one-way plane ticket?

BTW Has anyone seen the comparison of the education of the ?stars? who say that the president is stupid along with the administration?

I don't have it here but it went like this:
One of those ?stars?, Cher only went to the ninth grade. All but one only went to 12th grade. Only Susan Sharadon had graduated college and has a degree in drama.

The administration's accomplishments were astounding. President Bush graduated Harvard, has an MBA, ran several buninesses etc. Colin Powell, Condaleena Rice, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield- They all have outstanding educations and experience.

It was kind of like a kindergarten student telling the principal that he is dumb.

Does anyone have a link to that comparison?

Patrick

PS: Talk about serving crow- Sheryl Crow is one of those who have nothing to crow about so she puts down the president instead.

Interesting comparison....

there are some who are people or street smart, and there are some who have refined education....would it have mattered how "wise" or "intelligent" they are? Just because some people who don't have a college degree makes them any less "smarter" than those who have.

But here's the problem--be it politicians or celebrites--they're up on the pedestal, thanks to voters or fans who put them there, and they have it in their minds that they're "better" "wiser" than we are; because of the position they're in. I'm sure they wouldn't listen to me anymore than I would listen to them, no matter how persuasive or right they are.

All I know is everyone have a right to speak out and have their opinion, but with RESPONSIBILITY. I can't stress that enough. BUT--if proven wrong, I'd have the grace & humility to admit being wrong, and NOT under pressure to do so! But yeah, the silence IS interesting coming from those who were most vocal against the war. :)


~loribee59

PS: ever since the board came back online...I find the posts are a bit bigger...and I'm scrolling left to right. What's up with that?
 
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