Hmmmmmmm......

[PACKY]

God gave us the inteligence to think, does that mean that man can use this Intellegence to come up with new medical procedures such as stem cell reaserch and use the excuse of: "if god didnt want us to do this then he wouldnt have given us the ability to reason and think"? I disagree I think that god gave us free will after we sinned in the garden of eden.. My question for you is can man hide behind the intelligence that god gave us in a effort to condone different acts?......
THANKS!

 

[Iron Sun 254]

Well in truth there is stem cell research which involves taking stem cells from adults and there is nothing wrong with this (it's no different than a organ transplant) so we have the intelligence to do good works without taking life.

Possessing intelligence, however, is not an excuse. Having the ability to do something is what makes us human. Choosing not to do something is what makes us moral.

 

[PACKY]

I understand that we have free will however does that mean that anything we do must first be validated by scripture before doing it? Even organ donations or transplants couldnt some people argue that we are "attempting" to go against gods will?

 

[Iron Sun 254]

I think we need to be true to our beliefs and err on the side of doing the right thing. If one is unsure if something they're going is against God's will, they shouldn't do it.

 

[Gracchus]

I disagree I think that god gave us free will after we sinned in the garden of eden.

BLESSEDBETHEMEEK: Perhaps you could help me understand your post, by clarifying a couple of points?

WE sinned? Were you there? Did you see me there? Am I Adam? A cursory inspection indicates that I am not Eve.

And if "we" didn't get free will, until after "we" sinned, then how could "we" have sinned? If you don't have free will, how can you sin?

If one is unsure if something they're going is against God's will, they shouldn't do it.

Iron Sun 254: Most of the uncertainty would seem to be over just what God's will really is. If your holy book says we should kill homosexuals*, is it God's will? Ought I to do it even if my own conscience, and the law tell me that it is wrong?



*Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

[PACKY]

"BLESSEDBETHEMEEK: Perhaps you could help me understand your post, by clarifying a couple of points?

WE sinned? Were you there? Did you see me there? Am I Adam? A cursory inspection indicates that I am not Eve.

And if "we" didn't get free will, until after "we" sinned, then how could "we" have sinned? If you don't have free will, how can you sin?"


1) I wasnt there to see that we sinned yet i have FAITH in GOD that we did asthe scripture says so
theres a flip side to this coin were YOU there? did you see me there? are we not all descendents of adam and eve?

2) Adam and eve were tempted by statan to eat the forbidden fruit and thus we sinned and gained free will. this is in accordance of the scripture.

 

[kurabrhm]

God gave us the inteligence to think, does that mean that man can use this Intellegence to come up with new medical procedures such as stem cell reaserch and use the excuse of: "if god didnt want us to do this then he wouldnt have given us the ability to reason and think"? I disagree I think that god gave us free will after we sinned in the garden of eden.. My question for you is can man hide behind the intelligence that god gave us in a effort to condone different acts?......
THANKS!

Stem cell research is highly important. I don't think its right to use religion as a weapon with which to unnecessarily smash scientific obligations.
I presume that I'm right in thinking that the radical neo conservatives of america are opposed to stem cell research. And President Bush is apparently opposed to it. This is ridiculous. Stem cell research and other bold scientific research needs to be given strong support so that people can benefit from its positive outcomes.

 

[PACKY]

I Voted for Bush but I think that since GOD gave us the intellect we need to use it for good,
I do support stem cell research as It save lives and could help to reduce the suffering in the world. I think God would approve if it helps to prevents pain,suffering, and the loss of life, there are other ways to get stem cells than by Abortion alone.

 

[Deamiter]

*** Mod Hat On ***
This is getting perilously close to an argument that's not even allowed in politics. I think (if I recall correctly) that it's only allowed in the morality forum, but don't quote me on that. Anyway, no violations yet, but please drop the discussion of abortion and embryonic stem cell research. I won't let a positive thread like this be sidetracked by emotional responses on either side.
*** Mod Hat Off ***

 

[Andy Broadley]

I think that the example used in the OP was a bad example because of all the debate it tends to generate. The principle on the other hand is clear.

God gave mankind free will for good or evil. It could be argued that one of the greatest developments in the last 100 years has been that of nucular power. Potentially, it could bring great benefits to mankind. Conversely, it could destroy mankind along with the rest of the world. It is for man to choose his way in life, but he cannot use God as an exuse for his choice, nor later blame Him for the results.

 

[Angel of God]

God gave us the inteligence to think, does that mean that man can use this Intellegence to come up with new medical procedures such as stem cell reaserch and use the excuse of: "if god didnt want us to do this then he wouldnt have given us the ability to reason and think"? I disagree I think that god gave us free will after we sinned in the garden of eden.. My question for you is can man hide behind the intelligence that god gave us in a effort to condone different acts?......
THANKS!

I think a christian can use all that is possible to help a friend...(with the medicine also as made the samaritan) without to be against the christian life because a methodology can make to sin more...........
An example:
if a medicine is for the immortality what would happen?.............
I think it's not for a christian life............

 

[Corbine]

I dont think stem research is bad, but it takes one direction. It is just research. I have not heard of any other paths that would lead to the same result. Are their any scientists who believe that it can be accomplished without useing fetal tissue? If so then they should be supported. Stem research right now is like the evolution theory "there is no other way". I think it is wrong.

 

[Crzy4Christ]

We can't hide behind our intelligence for many reasons. GOd gave us our intelligence to ultimately glorify Him. Anything that we do using our intelligence that dishonors God is sin. SO either we glorify God with what He gave us, or we can dishonor him through our actions brought about by our "great intelligence".