Hitler-Antichrist comparison

[trident343]

Obviously the two have been and will continue to be in direct comparison of each other but is the similarity closer than we realize?
Besides the evil and brutal character shared by these two dictators as well as other menaces in the past, is there a closer relation between these two?
I have noticed a couple similarities between the two including that Both persecute Jews for 3.5 years.
Also note Zechariah 13:8-9 "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
There were an estimated 10 million jews in occupied europe during WW2, about six million were killed. Thats pretty close to 2/3rds.
Are the similar actions of the Antichrist and Hitler coincedental or is there more to this?

Note: I probably should of posted this thread in Eschatology but I wanted to avoid non-dispensational views of revelation etc.

 

[eph3Nine]

Hitler is dead. The REAL antichrist will be a LIVE person who will be so charismatic as to fool the entire world. We who are right dividers dont need to concern ourselves with who he is, as we will already be together with our Lord in the air.

 

[TheScottsMen]

We who are right dividers dont need to concern ourselves with who he is, as we will already be together with our Lord in the air.

So will those who are not "right dividers", but are saved by the same blood.

 

[eph3Nine]

So will those who are not "right dividers", but are saved by the same blood.

If the gospel of our salvation has been believed, YES. However, the same person who received THAT gospel and who tells us of OUR being raptured is Paul. There are many who arent believing Pauls gospel to begin with.

 

[Jerrysch]

Obviously the two have been and will continue to be in direct comparison of each other but is the similarity closer than we realize?
Besides the evil and brutal character shared by these two dictators as well as other menaces in the past, is there a closer relation between these two?
I have noticed a couple similarities between the two including that Both persecute Jews for 3.5 years.
Also note Zechariah 13:8-9 "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
There were an estimated 10 million jews in occupied europe during WW2, about six million were killed. Thats pretty close to 2/3rds.
Are the similar actions of the Antichrist and Hitler coincedental or is there more to this?

Note: I probably should of posted this thread in Eschatology but I wanted to avoid non-dispensational views of revelation etc.

A interesting theory........... Sadly you have taken this passage out of its context. The reference to "in all the land" needs to be understood the land of Israel. Hitler had no dealings within the confines of that land which YHWH promiced to the sons of Israel. But in general anyone who trys to kill of ethnic Israel can be compared to the a/c. But to take it a step farther, the real reason that the enimies of YHWH seek to kill of the decendants of Israel is that they are a walking rememberance of the glory of God. Their presence in this world is also a witness to the validit of the Scriptures. I mean if there are sons and daughters of Israel... then there must have been a person named Israel. But, keep thinking, and post some other of your thoughts

 

[Jerrysch]

So will those who are not "right dividers", but are saved by the same blood.

You are correct, ones "divider skills" will not prevent the rapture, nor exclude one from its effects Isn't that a blessed truth?

 

[Jerrysch]

If the gospel of our salvation has been believed, YES. However, the same person who received THAT gospel and who tells us of OUR being raptured is Paul. There are many who arent believing Pauls gospel to begin with.

Would you consider those who became redeemed prior to the beginning of the ministry of Paul to have a place in the rapture?

 

[eph3Nine]

Would you consider those who became redeemed prior to the beginning of the ministry of Paul to have a place in the rapture?

NO. The rapture is distinct ONLY to those who are members of His Body. Those who were saved under the KINGDOM GOSPEL will reign on planet earth, with the 12 disciples, twelve thrones, twelve tribes and a KING. ITS a literal earthly KINGDOM.

God has a twofold purpose. One for earth, one for heaven. TWO realms he created and that YOUR bible spends a great deal of time EXPLAINING how He plans to RE establish His reign and rule in BOTH realms, which have been compromised by Satan.

 

[Jerrysch]

NO. The rapture is distinct ONLY to those who are members of His Body. Those who were saved under the KINGDOM GOSPEL will reign on planet earth, with the 12 disciples, twelve thrones, twelve tribes and a KING. ITS a literal earthly KINGDOM.

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While I wait for others to add in on this discussion... what is this
KINGDOM GOSPEL and where is is in Scriptuure? And as a side note, if we are to pull all our doctrine (as I beleive you have defined it) how is it that we know anything about it?

 

[eph3Nine]

This question has been answered before and I dont wish to be redundant. Go into your concordance and look it up. The Gospel that was preached to Israel by Peter and by Christ on earth IS the Kingdom Gospel and has to do with a REAL KINGDOM with twelve thrones, twelve disciples, twelve tribes and a REAL KING. It is to be set up ON THE EARTH, and will actually occur in ages to come.

 

[TheScottsMen]

If the gospel of our salvation has been believed, YES. However, the same person who received THAT gospel and who tells us of OUR being raptured is Paul. There are many who arent believing Pauls gospel to begin with.

Question: What are the criteria to be saved?

1. Christ died on the cross for our sins, took our place of punishment, and through him we received eternal life and imputed righteousness.
2. Paul's Apostleship.

Let’s say a person believed the first, but did not the second. Will one be sent to hell because they simply did not recognize Paul? Nowhere in the Word of God do we read, “believe that Paul preached this Gospel to be saved!” The criteria is the gospel, not Paul. If people read Paul’s gospel back into the four gospels, so be it: this does not make their salvation null and void.

One does not have to have a complete theology to be saved.

 

[eph3Nine]

While I wait for others to add in on this discussion... what is this
KINGDOM GOSPEL and where is is in Scriptuure? And as a side note, if we are to pull all our doctrine (as I beleive you have defined it) how is it that we know anything about it?

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,


Im surprised I had to do your homework FOR you...I wont do it again.

 

[eph3Nine]

Question: What are the criteria to be saved?

1. Christ died on the cross for our sins, took our place of punishment, and through him we received eternal life and imputed righteousness.
2. Paul's Apostleship.

Let’s say a person believed the first, but did not the second. Will one be sent to hell because they simply did not recognize Paul? Nowhere in the Word of God do we read, “believe that Paul preached this Gospel to be saved!” The criteria is the gospel, not Paul. If people read Paul’s gospel back into the four gospels, so be it: this does not make their salvation null and void.

One does not have to have a complete theology to be saved.

Oh I agree with you. However, many today are believing another gospel and another jesus, and thinking they ARE saved.

We ARE told that Pauls gospel alone is the gospel of OUR salvation. We are told that to preach any OTHER gospel than that given to us by Paul carries with it a curse. So its very important to know what the gospel IS. Its NOT "repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins" that was preached by Peter is it? OF COURSE NOT, but many think it is. They dont SEE any difference.

While "asking Jesus into your heart", and "repenting of ones sins" and "coming to an altar" and "giving your life to Christ" all sound wonderful...they are NOT indeed the gospel given by which we must be saved, and millions are trusting what THEY did instead of what HE did!

If you dont believe me, simply ASK someone what they believed to be saved. YOU will get all kinds of answers about what they DID!

One only has to believe in the death , burial and resurrection to BE saved.

However is that ALL God wants us to know?

1 Timothy 2:4 1.)Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
See the two things there that God wants?

The knowledge of the TRUTH is the understanding of what program they are IN today....the KNOWLEDGE is translated epignosis and means FULL KNOWLEDGE. We cant HAVE the full knowledge of the truth WITHOUT Pauls epistles and the MYSTERY truths given to we the Body of Christ. We can be saved....yes...but will we grow and mature?

 

[TheScottsMen]

Oh I agree with you. However, many today are believing another gospel and another jesus, and thinking they ARE saved.

I would agree with this completely.

We ARE told that Pauls gospel alone is the gospel of OUR salvation. We are told that to preach any OTHER gospel than that given to us by Paul carries with it a curse.

I agree again...completely!

So its very important to know what the gospel IS. Its NOT "repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins" that was preached by Peter is it? OF COURSE NOT, but many think it is. They dont SEE any difference.

While "asking Jesus into your heart", and "repenting of ones sins" and "coming to an altar" and "giving your life to Christ" all sound wonderful...they are NOT indeed the gospel given by which we must be saved, and millions are trusting what THEY did instead of what HE did!

See...we agree on much!

If you dont believe me, simply ASK someone what they believed to be saved. YOU will get all kinds of answers about what they DID!

I agree that many will add extra "details" to what they believe is the gospel of their salvation; but I also believe that many of them would include Christ dieing on the cross: even if they add the extra details.

I would a
One only has to believe in the death , burial and resurrection to BE saved.

I would agree and disagree. I agree this is the gospel of salvation today, I disagree that man has the ability to do so without the sovereign inward grace of God acting, and that this inward grace (not external grace that is given to all men) is given to those God has chosen for salvation.

However is that ALL God wants us to know?

1 Timothy 2:4 1.)Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
See the two things there that God wants?

The knowledge of the TRUTH is the understanding of what program they are IN today....the KNOWLEDGE is translated epignosis and means FULL KNOWLEDGE. We cant HAVE the full knowledge of the truth WITHOUT Pauls epistles and the MYSTERY truths given to we the Body of Christ. We can be saved....yes...but will we grow and mature?

I agree that many stop at simply believing the gospel of salvation and never get any further. I would also agree that the meat that makes Christians mature in Christ can only be found in Paul’s epistles.

 

[eph3Nine]

Wow....nine outta ten aint bad! wink wink