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<blockquote data-quote="SisterFromGermany" data-source="post: 75576100" data-attributes="member: 431815"><p>This Thread is already 2 months old but maybe you are still there <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />.</p><p></p><p>In the 3rd Reich youth clubs, sports clubs and churches were expected do follow the same rules, such as the Arierparagraph. Many churches followed these rules and expelled Jews who were Christians. There was however a small minority of pastors and believers who rebelled against these developments. The result was that there was the official Church "Deutsche Christen" and an other Church, called "Bekennende Kirche". A famous member of the "Bekennende Kirche" was Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a pastor who was murdered eventually. A sad thing to say is, that the way Jews were treated was not the main issue that lead to the separation. It was more about theology.</p><p></p><p>"Deutsche Christen" didn't think that they were responsible to their creator (according to Helmut Thielicke). It was more like a religous frame for Nazi celebrations like weddings. They loved the feelings and liked to talk about God. Gods job was to bless all their deeds (AFTER they already decided what they wanted to do). That was the kind of faith Himmler obviously had. In addition to that, many of the high ranking officials went "Back to nature" at some point in their lives. As I understand it, there was more to it than simply produce your own food. It seemed to be a religion on its own. (mixed with pre-christian religions).</p><p></p><p>Indeed the churches were not forced to accept the political agenda. Many agreed voluntarily. The reason was like you mentioned that the church at this time still had a great influence on society. There were however oppressions like</p><p>prohibition of speaking and writing, and Professor Thielicke was thrown out of his job. The plan was to destroy the Churches after the war.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SisterFromGermany, post: 75576100, member: 431815"] This Thread is already 2 months old but maybe you are still there :). In the 3rd Reich youth clubs, sports clubs and churches were expected do follow the same rules, such as the Arierparagraph. Many churches followed these rules and expelled Jews who were Christians. There was however a small minority of pastors and believers who rebelled against these developments. The result was that there was the official Church "Deutsche Christen" and an other Church, called "Bekennende Kirche". A famous member of the "Bekennende Kirche" was Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a pastor who was murdered eventually. A sad thing to say is, that the way Jews were treated was not the main issue that lead to the separation. It was more about theology. "Deutsche Christen" didn't think that they were responsible to their creator (according to Helmut Thielicke). It was more like a religous frame for Nazi celebrations like weddings. They loved the feelings and liked to talk about God. Gods job was to bless all their deeds (AFTER they already decided what they wanted to do). That was the kind of faith Himmler obviously had. In addition to that, many of the high ranking officials went "Back to nature" at some point in their lives. As I understand it, there was more to it than simply produce your own food. It seemed to be a religion on its own. (mixed with pre-christian religions). Indeed the churches were not forced to accept the political agenda. Many agreed voluntarily. The reason was like you mentioned that the church at this time still had a great influence on society. There were however oppressions like prohibition of speaking and writing, and Professor Thielicke was thrown out of his job. The plan was to destroy the Churches after the war. [/QUOTE]
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