Highest Satanic Power 6+6+6: Dungeons and Dragons Character Stats

[2PhiloVoid]

Players can role three 6's--a total of '18'-- for each character trait in this diabolical game ...and this is how we know that the Dungeons and Dragons game is a Satanic ruse affecting people in our society every day. We can also know this if we seriously consider the additional evidence provided by the following video put out by the New York Times just a few years ago. So, pop your thinking caps on and think about it!

(Oh, and Happy Halloween!)

[EDIT: No, I don't think D & D is an evil game in and of itself.]

 

[Freodin]

Players can role three 6's--a total of '18'-- for each character trait in this diabolical game ...and this is how we know that the Dungeons and Dragons game is a Satanic ruse affecting people in our society every day.

Well... I have always preferred the german DSA system over D&D... but as far as I can remember, D&D changed to the D20 system at least 3 editions back.

What do you think... just a better statistically balanced system, or a good satanic marketing ploy?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well... I have always preferred the german DSA system over D&D... but as far as I can remember, D&D changed to the D20 system at least 3 editions back.

What do you think... just a better statistically balanced system, or a good satanic marketing ploy?

A D20? Just the sound of it is...Inhuman! So, what have those D&D creators been up to now? I see it all, they're saying we can just ascend into god-hood just straight-off the bat now. No waiting for character growth. No special providence to be provided by whatever divine figures who wait in the Heavenlies. Nope, just role that dice and 'poof'! A 20!

Yeah, I'm seeing a trend here................... A D20 should be called "The Lucifer Dice"!

[By the way, I've never heard of DSA. Sounds like a cult or some kind of secret, underground operative!]

 

[Freodin]

A D20? Just the sound of it is...Inhuman! So, what have those D&D creators been up to now? I see it all, they're saying we can just ascend into god-hood just straight-off the bat now. No waiting for character growth. No special providence to be provided by whatever divine figures who wait in the Heavenlies. Nope, just role that dice and 'poof'! A 20!

Yeah, I'm seeing a trend here................... A D20 should be called "The Lucifer Dice"!

Hm... again not sure about that... as I said, not a D&D player... but I am also rather certain that in the current D&D edition, and the ones before that, character statistics are no longer determined by die-roll.

And in a D20 system, the highest number is also only just that... the highest number. It is not to be used as a higher number in a no-longer-used system. The machine doesn't go to 11.

Are you really certain that this is satanic in origin... and not based on the Christian doctrine of "The Manual Never Changes!"? Christians tend to go to the original sources, not the later editions.

[By the way, I've never heard of DSA. Sounds like a cult or some kind of secret, underground operative!]

Oh, it's definitely cult, but the only secret underground operatives are the diamond dwarves. (Filthy little buggers.)
DSA - "Das schwarze Auge" - had been published in the USA under the name "The Dark Eye", as far as I know. In the 90's, there was a rather good PC RPG game set in this system, known in the USA as "Realms of Arkania".

It's quite a good system, but I know that, while it exists, it doesn't have a large following outside of the german speaking countries.

Blessings of the Twelve upon you!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hm... again not sure about that... as I said, not a D&D player... but I am also rather certain that in the current D&D edition, and the ones before that, character statistics are no longer determined by die-roll.

And in a D20 system, the highest number is also only just that... the highest number. It is not to be used as a higher number in a no-longer-used system. The machine doesn't go to 11.

Are you really certain that this is satanic in origin... and not based on the Christian doctrine of "The Manual Never Changes!"? Christians tend to go to the original sources, not the later editions.

What kind of game creators change the rules from one game to another or from one decade to another? Sounds kind of fishy to me, ay?

Oh, it's definitely cult, but the only secret underground operatives are the diamond dwarves. (Filthy little buggers.)

Ah, Dwarves! Those little rascals. And you do know that they only take one recourse when backed into a mountain, right? Ask them, "what will it be....?" And they say, "WAAAAAR!!!"

DSA - "Das schwarze Auge" - had been published in the USA under the name "The Dark Eye", as far as I know. In the 90's, there was a rather good PC RPG game set in this system, known in the USA as "Realms of Arkania".

The Dark Eye? Hmmm. That sounds .... kind of dark.

It's quite a good system, but I know that, while it exists, it doesn't have a large following outside of the german speaking countries.

I'll keep that in mind, along with the secret hand-shake that I'm sure one must learn in order to join a group of players who play this game.

Blessings of the Twelve upon you!

Well..................................thank you! Blessings through the Twelve be upon you, too!

 

[Freodin]

What kind of game creators change the rules from one game to another or from one decade to another? Sounds kind of fishy to me, ay?

Making rules up. Changing them. Being involved with numbers and tables and statistics.
Do you really have to ask who these people are?

Should be crystal clear: SCIENTISTS!

Ah, Dwarves! Those little rascals. And you do know that they only take one recourse when backed into a mountain, right? Ask them, "what will it be....?" And they say, "WAAAAAR!!!"

Diamond dwarves are worse. They don't like to use war. They use.... ECONOMICS!

The Dark Eye? Hmmm. That sounds .... kind of dark.

It got lighter. You should have seen the masks in the first edition!

I'll keep that in mind, along with the secret hand-shake that I'm sure one must learn in order to join a group of players who play this game.

Considering that you would most likely be playing with Americans, I wouldn't worry about that. Americans cannot do it correctly... they are just playing at playing it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

DSA - "Das schwarze Auge" - had been published in the USA under the name "The Dark Eye"

As a teenager on my first trip to Europe circa 1985, somehow I ran into a box set of Das schwarze Auge and brought it back home. My German was (and remains) not very good, but the game helped out with all that important vocabulary of pieces of armor.

 

[Freodin]

As a teenager on my first trip to Europe circa 1985, somehow I ran into a box set of Das schwarze Auge and brought it back home. My German was (and remains) not very good, but the game helped out with all that important vocabulary of pieces of armor.

Hm... 85. That would mean you did get a first edition. With the mask?
It was so silly then... it is still silly now. But it's part of the cult.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Making rules up. Changing them. Being involved with numbers and tables and statistics.
Do you really have to ask who these people are?

Should be crystal clear: SCIENTISTS!


Diamond dwarves are worse. They don't like to use war. They use.... ECONOMICS!


It got lighter. You should have seen the masks in the first edition!


Considering that you would most likely be playing with Americans, I wouldn't worry about that. Americans cannot do it correctly... they are just playing at playing it.

Those are all good points! You may have just unlocked the secrets of the Mines of Moria for me. .... I think....I think I see the meaning of it all now!

Thank you!

 

[Freodin]

Those are all good points! You may have just unlocked the secrets of the Mines of Moria for me. .... I think....I think I see the meaning of it all now!

Thank you!

Glad that I could help. Just speak, Friend, and enter.

But there was something about the Mines of Moria that you should be aware of. There's a... thing... something... Baldur... Ballpen... bah, I cannot remember. Doesn't matter, cannot be too important.

Have fun!

 

[Freodin]

Fun fact about fiction and the fickleness of, err, consistency.

The text on the West Gate of Khazad-dum says:
"Ennyn Durin Aran Moria. Pedo Mellon a Minno. Im Narvi hain echant. Celebrimbor o Eregion teithant i thiw hin."
(The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Say Friend and enter. I, Narvi, made them. Celebrimbor of Hollin drew these signs.)

But the Dwarfs didn't call this place "Moria". That means "The Black Chasm" and was a derogotary name used after the fall and the bal... thing. So it should not be used as Durin's title. He was lord of Khazad-dum - Dwarven Home.

Tolkien messed that up. Creating a consistent world is freaking difficult.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hm... 85. That would mean you did get a first edition. With the mask?

Do you mean the "GM screen"? The standup 'black eye' that you hide your secret GM stuff behind? Yeah, I remember it being a great ornate shape! And intimidating.

I think I sold it all off on ebay for a good amount of money some time ago.

 

[durangodawood]

....but as far as I can remember, D&D changed to the D20 system at least 3 editions back.....

Thats dumb because the (3) D6 results approximates a bell curve, where a mediocre result is common and the extremes are low probability. This is appropriate for assigning values to various attributes.

 

[Tanj]

As a teenager on my first trip to Europe circa 1985, somehow I ran into a box set of Das schwarze Auge and brought it back home. My German was (and remains) not very good, but the game helped out with all that important vocabulary of pieces of armor.

I know what you mean. Having played Bushido for years, I am entirely fluent in Japanese weapons.

And as someone that has played DND for 30 years and still does, stats are mostly done by point buy, and whilst most of the rolls are d20 centric stats are still based off multiple d6.

 

[Nithavela]

This only proves that point buy is superior.

 

[durangodawood]

This only proves that point buy is superior.

Not familiar.

Do you have a "budget" of points and make your own choice of how to allocate it across the various attributes? Does every character start with the same budget?

 

[Freodin]

Not familiar.

Do you have a "budget" of points and make your own choice of how to allocate it across the various attributes? Does every character start with the same budget?

Quite.
Every character starts with an equal number of points and an "average" set of ability attribites (say: 10 for all abilities). You can spend points to increase your ability scores, get additional points by lowering ability scores. There's usually a minimum, and you need to spend more points per "higher" ability score point. So, for example, it takes you 1 point to raise your strength from 10 to 11, but might cost you 3 points to take it from 17 to 18.

This method has the advantage of allowing you to play the character you want, instead of what you are dealt. But it can also lead to "min-maxing".

 

[Freodin]

Do you mean the "GM screen"? The standup 'black eye' that you hide your secret GM stuff behind? Yeah, I remember it being a great ornate shape! And intimidating.

I think I sold it all off on ebay for a good amount of money some time ago.

Err, no. There was a real, plastic "Dark Eye" mask that you could wear (well, if you head was still child sized.)

But I see that it was part of the "Tools of the Master" expansion set, not the base set.

 

[durangodawood]

Quite.
Every character starts with an equal number of points and an "average" set of ability attribites (say: 10 for all abilities). You can spend points to increase your ability scores, get additional points by lowering ability scores. There's usually a minimum, and you need to spend more points per "higher" ability score point. So, for example, it takes you 1 point to raise your strength from 10 to 11, but might cost you 3 points to take it from 17 to 18.

This method has the advantage of allowing you to play the character you want, instead of what you are dealt. But it can also lead to "min-maxing".

Maybe it would be better if you did 6 rolls, and then distributed those results, un-adjusted, as you see fit across the 6 (or is it more) attributes?

I suppose thats still unfair, as all your rolls could be bad.

 

[Nithavela]

Maybe it would be better if you did 6 rolls, and then distributed those results, un-adjusted, as you see fit across the 6 (or is it more) attributes?

I suppose thats still unfair, as all your rolls could be bad.

The real problems stem from the fact that d&d and most other rpgs are a group activity, and when one guy is lucky at rolling his attributes and another one is unlucky, it can create a very slanted playingfield that has arisen from no fault of the players and that can only be remedied by the unlucky player's character dying.