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Hi everyone, this is my first post on a religious forum. I'm 27, and live in Australia, near Sydney. I don't follow any religion, and I do not affiliate myself with any relgious organisation. It's funny how I managed to find myself at this forum. Here's the story.
I was surfing around on youtube wasting some time when I came across this video.
Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes
Basically, it's a video that is supposed to prove that Jesus doesn't exist, using (strangely enough), passages from the Christian bible to make it's point. Even as a non-Christian, I recognise that it's argument is flawed. I've never met a Christian who has claimed that Jesus should appear to them at a whim, and it seems to be grappling with the semantics of the Bible, not the message.
After I watched it, I couldn't get it out of my head. Why was this non-Christian trying to make SUCH a point out of this? Or is it more than that? Now, as I said, I don't follow a religion, and I have no idea whether Jesus exists or not, but it still struck me as strange that a non-Christian would take the time and energy to make a video to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. Why would a non-Christian care about that? Why would they go on such a crusade to debunk something that doesn't affect them personally Have any Christians here had any experiences with people of this mindset?
I'd really love some sensible dialogue on this.
EDIT:
I just realised that I may be treading on shaky grounds with this topic, but I can assure you, I'm not here with any underlying anti-Christian agenda. Although I'm not Christian, I realise that this is a forum FOR Christians, and I will do my best to ensure that I don't say anything that is offensive or disrespectful to your faith (please let me know if I do). I am here with an open-minded approach. I'm not interested in changing anyones views, beliefs or convictions. Thank you.
GreetingsHi everyone, this is my first post on a religious forum. I'm 27, and live in Australia, near Sydney. I don't follow any religion, and I do not affiliate myself with any relgious organisation. It's funny how I managed to find myself at this forum. Here's the story.
I was surfing around on youtube wasting some time when I came across this video.
Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes
Basically, it's a video that is supposed to prove that Jesus doesn't exist, using (strangely enough), passages from the Christian bible to make it's point. Even as a non-Christian, I recognise that it's argument is flawed. I've never met a Christian who has claimed that Jesus should appear to them at a whim, and it seems to be grappling with the semantics of the Bible, not the message.
After I watched it, I couldn't get it out of my head. Why was this non-Christian trying to make SUCH a point out of this? Or is it more than that? Now, as I said, I don't follow a religion, and I have no idea whether Jesus exists or not, but it still struck me as strange that a non-Christian would take the time and energy to make a video to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. Why would a non-Christian care about that? Why would they go on such a crusade to debunk something that doesn't affect them personally Have any Christians here had any experiences with people of this mindset?
I'd really love some sensible dialogue on this.
EDIT:
I just realised that I may be treading on shaky grounds with this topic, but I can assure you, I'm not here with any underlying anti-Christian agenda. Although I'm not Christian, I realise that this is a forum FOR Christians, and I will do my best to ensure that I don't say anything that is offensive or disrespectful to your faith (please let me know if I do). I am here with an open-minded approach. I'm not interested in changing anyones views, beliefs or convictions. Thank you.
Exactly what I was thinking!Greetings
We Christians are instructed by Scripture about Spiritual battles. He is one of what we call Anti-Christ spiritual workers. This the Spiritual battle that Jesus told us would happen.
I can tell you That Jesus is very real, that is why he is calling you. He lead you here for me to tell you he is real. Hope you accept my answers.
Come to Christ
Rev Malone
I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this post. I've recieved quite a few responses, and they have given me a a lot to think about.
I've read the New Testament quite a few times, and the message I've got from it is one of common sense and moral obligation to others around us. I believe its message something much greater than anything one earthly human could create. I still marvel at the fact that even as time marches forward, the message never ages. However, I've never commited myself to Christ, as it just doesn't feel "right" for me (yet).
See, I work at a Junior High School as a teachers assistant. I work with the kids with behavioural problems and I've noticed how this new generation of kids (at least, in my area), have so little respect for the human condition. I call them "digital natives". I see these kids everyday, kids that are so sad, and lacking so much self-esteem that they treat each day like a video game. Their ideas about power, or resilience have been fostered by our media-saturated western culture. The see mildness as weakness, and confuse love with sex. I try to appeal to their sense of empathy, but it seems like its missing. These kids live hard and fast, they live with a global mindset, and although they don't know the ins and outs of whats happening around the world, they know that we're living in very troubling times. When these kids think of "eternal life", they're usually talking about a cheat in Grand Theft Auto III... When we've discussed anything of religious context, they seem to get angry, and close their ears to anything remotely religious or emotionally engaging.
I get so overwhelmed sometimes, it really breaks my heart. It feels like it's me against the rest of the world, the Tv shows, the games, the magazines. I need to help these kids learn about the "real stuff", but when I try, it's like I'm speaking a different language.
My aim isn't to preach to them, but I just want to be able to make that first step. For years I've always been able to get through to these kids, but in the past 12 months, it's went from hard to impossible. Basically, I'm clutching at straws now. I read texts from all around the world, and I just want to give these kids the tools to make the hard decisions that life throws at you.
These kids are "digital natives". They didn't learn to use the internet, they were born doing it. Although their feet definately connected to this Earth, their heads are stuck in the digital domain. The detachment that the internet brings has spread to their everyday life, and some of their real life conversations sounds like something out of a chat room, complete with flames and trolling.
As you can probably tell, I'm at the end of my rope, and I've almost given up hope. This has affected me really strongly, and it's almost as though if I lose this lot, I've lost it all. Is there anyone else out there that has noticed a change in kids around the age of 14 recently, or is it just a local phenomenon in my area?
(P.S. > To JustAVessel, no, I certainly don't mind you referencing one of the greatest books in human history.)
I don't know my father is atheist and he trys to prove that God is not real all the time. LIke once him and another one of his friends were involved in an argument and he said " IF god is real he will make this penny dissapear" and no matter how I tried to tell him that you shall not tempt the lord and that he shouldn't expect God to do something. He said he had won that debate. Maybe that person that made the video felt reall insecure about his faith. Maybe he was in denial. Maybe he was so afraid that he was wrong that he overcompensated. If you know what I mean..Hi everyone, this is my first post on a religious forum. I'm 27, and live in Australia, near Sydney. I don't follow any religion, and I do not affiliate myself with any relgious organisation. It's funny how I managed to find myself at this forum. Here's the story.
I was surfing around on youtube wasting some time when I came across this video.
Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes
Basically, it's a video that is supposed to prove that Jesus doesn't exist, using (strangely enough), passages from the Christian bible to make it's point. Even as a non-Christian, I recognise that it's argument is flawed. I've never met a Christian who has claimed that Jesus should appear to them at a whim, and it seems to be grappling with the semantics of the Bible, not the message.
After I watched it, I couldn't get it out of my head. Why was this non-Christian trying to make SUCH a point out of this? Or is it more than that? Now, as I said, I don't follow a religion, and I have no idea whether Jesus exists or not, but it still struck me as strange that a non-Christian would take the time and energy to make a video to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. Why would a non-Christian care about that? Why would they go on such a crusade to debunk something that doesn't affect them personally Have any Christians here had any experiences with people of this mindset?
I'd really love some sensible dialogue on this.
EDIT:
I just realised that I may be treading on shaky grounds with this topic, but I can assure you, I'm not here with any underlying anti-Christian agenda. Although I'm not Christian, I realise that this is a forum FOR Christians, and I will do my best to ensure that I don't say anything that is offensive or disrespectful to your faith (please let me know if I do). I am here with an open-minded approach. I'm not interested in changing anyones views, beliefs or convictions. Thank you.
Hey, welcome to the forums!I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this post. I've recieved quite a few responses, and they have given me a a lot to think about.
I've read the New Testament quite a few times, and the message I've got from it is one of common sense and moral obligation to others around us. I believe its message something much greater than anything one earthly human could create. I still marvel at the fact that even as time marches forward, the message never ages. However, I've never commited myself to Christ, as it just doesn't feel "right" for me (yet).
This is a large problem everywhere. Especially in schools and college campuses - it's dirrectly related to postmodern thinking, and it's terribly confusing and frustrating. It's not necessarily that they turn from anything religious or emotionally engaging, but that they only want the emotional experience without any of the firmaments of religious structure that defines the historic structure of what 'religion' implies. They also only want instant fixes, which has a lot to do with the technological advances made in the last thirty years. I imagine it's like a culture shock of sorts to have so much of a shift in the way we communicate and the way we live life in general.See, I work at a Junior High School as a teachers assistant. I work with the kids with behavioural problems and I've noticed how this new generation of kids (at least, in my area), have so little respect for the human condition. I call them "digital natives". I see these kids everyday, kids that are so sad, and lacking so much self-esteem that they treat each day like a video game. Their ideas about power, or resilience have been fostered by our media-saturated western culture. The see mildness as weakness, and confuse love with sex. I try to appeal to their sense of empathy, but it seems like its missing. These kids live hard and fast, they live with a global mindset, and although they don't know the ins and outs of whats happening around the world, they know that we're living in very troubling times. When these kids think of "eternal life", they're usually talking about a cheat in Grand Theft Auto III... When we've discussed anything of religious context, they seem to get angry, and close their ears to anything remotely religious or emotionally engaging.
You'll have that sometimes. The point at which it ceases to be about communication and starts being about helping people to learn how to walk again hit us in the '90s, and it's been expanding outward ever since. It's like the world of man has slipped on a blindfold to hide from the reality it represents. Instead of constructive progress, it's wandering in the dark, groping for a lightswitch, eventually it just sits down on the floor and pretends that it's not really just that blindfold over it's eyes that's making the room so dark. The only real way to help people in this state is to wake them up and pull that blindfold off.I get so overwhelmed sometimes, it really breaks my heart. It feels like it's me against the rest of the world, the Tv shows, the games, the magazines. I need to help these kids learn about the "real stuff", but when I try, it's like I'm speaking a different language.
Show them the world.My aim isn't to preach to them, but I just want to be able to make that first step. For years I've always been able to get through to these kids, but in the past 12 months, it's went from hard to impossible. Basically, I'm clutching at straws now. I read texts from all around the world, and I just want to give these kids the tools to make the hard decisions that life throws at you.
This is both true, and false, in a sense. People have always had this dynamic of communication, but it's become exacerbated and absurd thanks to the impersonal mode of communication the internet provides. Once the realization that there are actual people sitting behind the screen, typing the words that appear there strikes home, it becomes more about human dignity and the total removal of the human spirit from mankind. When the focus is on only the individual - the individual being the center of their own reality - things start going downhill for mankind. We can create new worlds in video games, programming, television, and the like, so why not in the world we live in? The paradigm stops being about that hard, real world that we interact with, and more about the frustration that comes because it's immobile. We need to irrigate deserts, not cut down forrests, in the words of C.S. Lewis.These kids are "digital natives". They didn't learn to use the internet, they were born doing it. Although their feet definately connected to this Earth, their heads are stuck in the digital domain. The detachment that the internet brings has spread to their everyday life, and some of their real life conversations sounds like something out of a chat room, complete with flames and trolling.
It's not local, it's nearly universal in the US, at least. I have the same frustrations at school, and that's even an earlier generation than what we're talking about here. I don't belong to the generation I was born into, which makes things even more difficult.As you can probably tell, I'm at the end of my rope, and I've almost given up hope. This has affected me really strongly, and it's almost as though if I lose this lot, I've lost it all. Is there anyone else out there that has noticed a change in kids around the age of 14 recently, or is it just a local phenomenon in my area?
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