Hey conservatives....where are you?

[Gentlemantech48]

I posted a thread named "God's answer to liberal thinking "christians". I feel all alone in the world as am getting only answers from "liberal christians". Hey conservatives, where are you?

 

[Celtic D]

Galatians 3:28 (King James Version)


28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Look Up]

"The business of progressives is to keep on making mistakes. The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected." - G.K. Chesterton 1924

 

[Gentlemantech48]

1 Samuel 2:3 (New International Version, ©2011)

3 “Do not keep talking so proudly
or let your mouth speak such arrogance,
for the LORD is a God who knows,
and by him deeds are weighed.

You tell me where you stand on abortion and I will tell you if you have the heart of God or not. That is not judgement, that is the naked truth revealed.

 

[sealacamp]

It is very simple, abortion is murder if done by man, abortion is divine intervention if done by God, there is nothing in between as far as I am concerned.

Sealacamp

 

[Celtic D]

1 Samuel 2:3 (New International Version, ©2011)

3 “Do not keep talking so proudly
or let your mouth speak such arrogance,
for the LORD is a God who knows,
and by him deeds are weighed.

You tell me where you stand on abortion and I will tell you if you have the heart of God or not. That is not judgement, that is the naked truth revealed.

You are indeed judging, although it is not your place to judge, and especially not to judge anyone's heart - you can't anyway, only God can!

 

[Gentlemantech48]

As Christians, we have every right and the responsibility to judge sin! We do not judge the person, but we judge their sin. Anyone who says otherwise is still drinking milk and not eating meat.

 

[sealacamp]

You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.

So we are called not to judge? What then does Jesus mean when He tells us this? When He said judge not that ye be not judged do you know what He was talking about? How can you tell what a person does is right or wrong if you are not judging? No the problem is that you have misunderstood what Christ told us to do, like so many people have done and it seems that you believe that we can't make any judgments at all about anyone or anything that they do, how they act, what they say, etc. How then can any of us do this:

Get rid of the old “yeast” by removing this wicked person from among you.

if we aren't making a judgment about someones behavior? And how can we not judge a persons behavior, including our own, and live up to what Christ has told us to do? It appears to me that you have made a mistake.

Sealacamp

 

[Celtic D]

So you would rather get rid of a "preceived" wicked person rather than try and win them for Christ

 

[sealacamp]

So you would rather get rid of a "preceived" wicked person rather than try and win them for Christ

I would rather follow Christ, where ever that leads, than to be concerned about what anyone thinks about anything that He leads me/us into. Have you not read that the Christians in the beginning were all of one accord? That is where we should be, however if following Christ and living out His word makes others question His leading then so be it. Now if you have a quibble with what scripture tells us to do I suggest you take it up with Him. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Sealacamp

 

[Celtic D]

I'm sure I don't have to remind you of Christ's Great Commission, then, and on that I refer you back to my previous post

 

[Gentlemantech48]

So you would rather get rid of a "preceived" wicked person rather than try and win them for Christ

Sin is usually spelled out in God's word, so we don't have to "perceive" that someone is sinning. If the person sinning is a brother or sister in Christ then we are told to go to that person and confront them about their sin. If the person is not in Christ then we would waste a lot of time speaking to deaf ears. You don't start witnessing to non-Christian by confronting his sin, you start by finding out if they want to know how to have eternal life.

 

[Celtic D]

Sin is usually spelled out in God's word, so we don't have to "perceive" that someone is sinning. If the person sinning is a brother or sister in Christ then we are told to go to that person and confront them about their sin. If the person is not in Christ then we would waste a lot of time speaking to deaf ears. You don't start witnessing to non-Christian by confronting his sin, you start by finding out if they want to know how to have eternal life.

But it is your perception of sin. The matter of sin is between the person and God. It is only a sin if God convicts them of it.

As for the non-Christians I agree, but certainly not by any fire and broomstone method, nothing is surer to chase an enquirer away - instead you should be listening to them and their questions. The fire and broomstone routine would have sent me running to the hills!

 

[Gentlemantech48]

But it is your perception of sin. The matter of sin is between the person and God. It is only a sin if God convicts them of it.

As for the non-Christians I agree, but certainly not by any fire and broomstone method, nothing is surer to chase an enquirer away - instead you should be listening to them and their questions. The fire and broomstone routine would have sent me running to the hills!

Luke 17:3-6 Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him...

As for witnessing with fire and brimstone, I agree that doesn't work. Sometimes it takes years of gentle witnessing to reach a person, sometimes the Holy Spirit has gone ahead of you and the person immediately repents and accepts Jesus as Lord.

 

[sealacamp]

I'm sure I don't have to remind you of Christ's Great Commission, then, and on that I refer you back to my previous post

No you don't but apparently someone needs to remind you of the course of this discussion which is, judging others actions at which point you stated that no one is qualified to judge anything and then scripture was supplied to show you that we are to judge persons behavior. Then to finish it off scripture was provided to indicate that a judgment of a persons behavior that is shown to be aberrant should cut this person off from fellowship. The issue was/is judgment and you side stepped that and started down another trail indicating that no matter what the judgment of a persons behavior may be we should never do what the bible is telling us to do in the case of an aberrant individual. Well you have a wonderful way of not dealing with the issue directly, but that doesn't negate the fact that the issue of making a discernment and then following it up with action is necessary. That is where we are now so address that and stop side stepping the issue.

But it is your perception of sin. The matter of sin is between the person and God. It is only a sin if God convicts them of it.

That is wrong and you are side stepping the issue of judgment again and again and again. Sin is sin even if a person doesn't feel convicted of it. People with a seared conscience never get convicted of sin yet when they murder isn't it clearly sin? We are called to judge each others fruits and the fruit of ourselves. There is no way that making a discernment is anything less than our obligation. So when you ignore the errant behavior of your brother/sister then you have failed to do your duty to yourself and to Christ.

Sealacamp

 

[Aibrean]

We are to judge those inside the church. A lot of people take Jesus' words and don't read farther in the Bible.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

 

[sealacamp]

We are to judge fruit to determine what sort of person we are dealing with, period.

“Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.

That doesn't just apply to the church, it applies to everyone, every where.

Sealacamp

 

[Resha Caner]

"The business of progressives is to keep on making mistakes. The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected." - G.K. Chesterton 1924

Sweet. That one's going up on my wall.

I posted a thread named "God's answer to liberal thinking "christians". I feel all alone in the world as am getting only answers from "liberal christians". Hey conservatives, where are you?

I guess you need to define what you mean by "conservative." If you mean "agrees with Gentlemantech48", you'll have a tough time of it.

If you're looking for someone who agrees with you about abortion (which seems to be one of the things on your list) that's a different issue. So, just say that's what you're looking for. And, by the way, I believe abortion is a sin. I also believe God forgives sinners.

Then there's the issue of judgement. That's a tricky one. I don't believe we should judge people, but I do believe the Church has authority to hold its members responsible to certain standards of behavior. If people do not agree to those standards, they should leave the Church, not try to change it. When that happens it should be something that saddens people ... something they should pray about ... pray for restoration of the person who has left.

 

[Celtic D]

Or perhaps pray for the restoration of the church which may just be in the wrong and not the person who left!

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I posted a thread named "God's answer to liberal thinking "christians". I feel all alone in the world as am getting only answers from "liberal christians". Hey conservatives, where are you?

Where are they? Honestly, a good many of them have left due to attitudes like this. I know...I have talked to them.

It's one big reason why this forum isn't as great as it once was.