Hermeneutics

[Akita Suggagaki]

Hermeneutics is the study of interpretation.

Hermeneutics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I don't think we discuss Hermeneutics enough here. What we discuss is the resulting divergence that results from our individual or ecclesial hermeneutic.


In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: the literal, moral, allegorical, and anagogical.

and critical methods available: source criticism, form criticism, redaction criticism, tradition criticism, canonical criticism, "historical-critical method"

I am sure we all differ in our appreciation of these methods and so take away different meanings from Sacred Judeo-Christian Scriptures.

I would be surprised if many of us took a deeper dive into our own motives for the hermeneutic we have adopted, inherited and currently hold..

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Our culture is deeply divided and much of that divide is Bible based. Methodist Church is a good example. It is now split due to two very different ways of interpreting the Bible and applying it to contemporary situations. But we don't know how to talk about our differences without getting angry and defensive.

 

[com7fy8]

If there is a division, both sides can be wrong!

And the sides both can be limiting their attention to what they can understand and control. And they can both be wrong by wanting to make themselves the judges of everyone else. So, then, they could both be wrong in their ideas and/or in their motives.

And ones can fool people into agreeing with them. A new immature Christian might highly respect a leader and then not question what the leader says while the new person is immature enough to accept incorrect ideas and practices. And it looks to me like certain more well-developed ministers can still be promoting certain things they were able to accept while they were not mature.

But what works the best, in my opinion, is how we grow in Jesus so we discover more and more how God has us living His word, better than how we could get ourselves to do His word.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

But what works the best, in my opinion, is how we grow in Jesus so we discover more and more how God has us living His word, better than how we could get ourselves to do His word.

And how do we "grow in Jesus"? I think it takes a tolerance to be challenged. Hearing what we would rather not hear.
Of course that goes for everyone. the conservative as well as the liberal.

 

[Dan Perez]

If there is a division, both sides can be wrong!

And the sides both can be limiting their attention to what they can understand and control. And they can both be wrong by wanting to make themselves the judges of everyone else. So, then, they could both be wrong in their ideas and/or in their motives.

And ones can fool people into agreeing with them. A new immature Christian might highly respect a leader and then not question what the leader says while the new person is immature enough to accept incorrect ideas and practices. And it looks to me like certain more well-developed ministers can still be promoting certain things they were able to accept while they were not mature.

But what works the best, in my opinion, is how we grow in Jesus so we discover more and more how God has us living His word, better than how we could get ourselves to do His word.

And there are many DIVISIONS that people believe from the bible !!

# 1 One is Water Baptism !

# 2 Two , is OLD COVENANT !

# 3 Three is the New Covenant !!

# 4 Four is DISPENSATIONALISM

# 5 This one is BAPTISM , with out WATER , like 1 Cor 10: 2 where the Greek text does USE the Greek word WATER // HUDOR .

# 6 MANY refuse to IMITATE Paul as Paul follows Christ , 1 Cor 11:1

#7 And many will never believe 1 Tim 1:4 where is says that to be in the FAITH , you have to DISPENSATIONALIST

to be in the FAITH



# 8 And will never check the Greek text of Eph 4:5 where it says , ONE // EIS , Lord , ONE // EIS , Faith , ONE // BPTISMA

Just a few , so who are you FOLLOWING TODAY ??

dan p

 

[com7fy8]

And how do we "grow in Jesus"? I think it takes a tolerance to be challenged. Hearing what we would rather not hear.
Of course that goes for everyone. the conservative as well as the liberal.

It seems hermeneutics has to do with principles of Bible study. I suspect this can have us more in a human way studying.

But our Apostle Paul says >

"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1 Corinthians 2:13)

I see here that this is not about comparing ideas that we have studied, but God's words are talking about realities of His kingdom . . . of even His own experience.

But humans can reduce God's word to talking about what they can argue about and control and understand, and ones have rules of "hermeneutics" which they expect others to follow so they will agree with them!

And their rules can be rigged so you reach their conclusions!!

Colossians 3:15 says >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

In human hermeneutics, one can use this to insist that we must all have the same beliefs and practices so we have "peace"; but of course this means how they baptize and what they do.

But we do not hear a word about how this means to be ruled by God in His own peace. God's peace is His own peace which He experiences and shares with us. This is God's harmony of His almighty power, ruling us together so He has our actions coordinated all through the body of Jesus, not just copy-catting what others in our own groups are doing!

So, the Holy Spirit gives the words saying to submit to God in His peace, but we need to submit to God so we can discover what this really means.

So we study His word, by means of how He has us experience what He means. And words alone can't do this; we need demonstration. A good teacher includes demonstration of actual experience.

But worldly hermeneutics can involve only or mainly arguing and explaining.

And as we grow in Jesus we become more submissive to God in us, so we can submit to how He rules us in His own peace, so sharing with us. So, growing in Christ includes how God makes our character submissive to God so we are humble and submissive like Jesus.

But yes ones instead can keep their attention to endless arguing about outward baptism and dispensationalism and if women can preach and other items . . . which can keep attention elsewhere.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

So we study His word, by means of how He has us experience what He means. And words alone can't do this; we need demonstration. A good teacher includes demonstration of actual experience.

And this is certainly something that Jesus has done but also certainly something we seek to avoid.
Self sacrifice, dying to self, obedience, complete trust in the Father, turn the other cheek, be a servant, etc.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Maybe one of the most topical places hermeneutics comes into play is reading the Book of Revelation.
So mush ink spilt over end time prophecy and what people think will happen and when.
The main point is to be ready. All else is indulgent speculation.

 

[Dan Perez]

It seems hermeneutics has to do with principles of Bible study. I suspect this can have us more in a human way studying.

But our Apostle Paul says >

"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1 Corinthians 2:13)

I see here that this is not about comparing ideas that we have studied, but God's words are talking about realities of His kingdom . . . of even His own experience.

But humans can reduce God's word to talking about what they can argue about and control and understand, and ones have rules of "hermeneutics" which they expect others to follow so they will agree with them!

And their rules can be rigged so you reach their conclusions!!

Colossians 3:15 says >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

In human hermeneutics, one can use this to insist that we must all have the same beliefs and practices so we have "peace"; but of course this means how they baptize and what they do.

But we do not hear a word about how this means to be ruled by God in His own peace. God's peace is His own peace which He experiences and shares with us. This is God's harmony of His almighty power, ruling us together so He has our actions coordinated all through the body of Jesus, not just copy-catting what others in our own groups are doing!

So, the Holy Spirit gives the words saying to submit to God in His peace, but we need to submit to God so we can discover what this really means.

So we study His word, by means of how He has us experience what He means. And words alone can't do this; we need demonstration. A good teacher includes demonstration of actual experience.

But worldly hermeneutics can involve only or mainly arguing and explaining.

And as we grow in Jesus we become more submissive to God in us, so we can submit to how He rules us in His own peace, so sharing with us. So, growing in Christ includes how God makes our character submissive to God so we are humble and submissive like Jesus.

But yes ones instead can keep their attention to endless arguing about outward baptism and dispensationalism and if women can preach and other items . . . which can keep attention elsewhere.

And in 1 Tim 1:4 says , Nor give attention to Fables and Endless , Genealogies which Cause Questioning , rather than Gods

Dispensation , the One by Faith .

It means to be in the FAITH , you have to be a Dispensationalist .

dan p

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

And in 1 Tim 1:4 says , Nor give attention to Fables and Endless , Genealogies which Cause Questioning , rather than Gods

Dispensation , the One by Faith .

It means to be in the FAITH , you have to be a Dispensationalist .

dan p

Do you agree with this account of Dispensationalism?

Dispensationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is often distinguished from covenant theology. These are two competing frameworks of Biblical Theology that attempt to explain overall continuity in the Bible.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The historical-grammatical method is a modern Christian hermeneutical method that strives to discover the biblical authors' original intended meaning in the text. According to the historical-grammatical method, if based on an analysis of the grammatical style of a passage (with consideration to its cultural, historical, and literary context), it appears that the author intended to convey an account of events that actually happened, then the text should be taken as representing history; passages should only be interpreted symbolically, poetically, or allegorically if to the best of our understanding, that is what the writer intended to convey to the original audience.

Historical criticism (also known as the historical-critical method or higher criticism) is a branch of criticism that investigates the origins of ancient texts to understand "the world behind the text" and emphasizes a process that "delays any assessment of scripture’s truth and relevance until after the act of interpretation has been carried out".

Talmudical hermeneutics (Hebrew: מידות שהתורה נדרשת בהן) defines the rules and methods for investigation and exact determination of meaning of the scriptures in the Hebrew Bible, within the framework of Rabbinic Judaism. This includes, among others, the rules by which the requirements of the Oral Law and the Halakha are derived from and established by the written law.

 

[Vambram]

The historical-grammatical method is a modern Christian hermeneutical method that strives to discover the biblical authors' original intended meaning in the text. According to the historical-grammatical method, if based on an analysis of the grammatical style of a passage (with consideration to its cultural, historical, and literary context), it appears that the author intended to convey an account of events that actually happened, then the text should be taken as representing history; passages should only be interpreted symbolically, poetically, or allegorically if to the best of our understanding, that is what the writer intended to convey to the original audience.

Historical criticism (also known as the historical-critical method or higher criticism) is a branch of criticism that investigates the origins of ancient texts to understand "the world behind the text" and emphasizes a process that "delays any assessment of scripture’s truth and relevance until after the act of interpretation has been carried out".

Talmudical hermeneutics (Hebrew: מידות שהתורה נדרשת בהן) defines the rules and methods for investigation and exact determination of meaning of the scriptures in the Hebrew Bible, within the framework of Rabbinic Judaism. This includes, among others, the rules by which the requirements of the Oral Law and the Halakha are derived from and established by the written law.

In my opinion, the Historical-grammatical method is the best one to use. The Historical criticism method comes in at a close 2nd place right behind Historical-grammatical in importance and effectiveness for hermeneutical methods of interpretation in my opinion.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

In my opinion, the Historical-grammatical method is the best one to use. The Historical criticism method comes in at a close 2nd place right behind Historical-grammatical in importance and effectiveness for hermeneutical methods of interpretation in my opinion.

I applaud you for at least thinking about it and being aware of your preference. I don't think many have that awareness of their process.
I am still sorting mine out.

 

[Dan Perez]

Do you agree with this account of Dispensationalism?

Dispensationalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is often distinguished from covenant theology. These are two competing frameworks of Biblical Theology that attempt to explain overall continuity in the Bible.

I have never used Wikipedia at all and only have used BLUE LETTER BIBLE and other well known writer .

OIKONOMIA is OIKOS meaning a house .

NOMOS meaning , a Law !!

And what are the House Laws of dispensationalism ?

This what I say it means !!

# 1 , OSAS

# 2 A new creation

# 3 We are Christ Framers , where Paul Plants and APOLLOS waters , BUT God was causing the growth .

And there are more !!

dan p

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I have never used Wikipedia at all and only have used BLUE LETTER BIBLE and other well known writer .

OIKONOMIA is OIKOS meaning a house .

NOMOS meaning , a Law !!

And what are the House Laws of dispensationalism ?

This what I say it means !!

# 1 , OSAS

# 2 A new creation

# 3 We are Christ Framers , where Paul Plants and APOLLOS waters , BUT God was causing the growth .

And there are more !!

dan p

That is not very descriptive. Can you say more?

 

[Dan Perez]

That is not very descriptive. Can you say more?

# 1 OSAS , because of Gal 3:28 , ARE // ESTE , is a Greek word in the PRESENT TENSE .

# 2 Anew CREATION , in 2 Cor 5:17

# 3 Wea are FRAMERS , as written in 1 Cor 3:6-9 , and means you have to plant and water what Paul PLANTED , Eph 3:9

and Rom 16:25 and 26 !!

# 4 And we have to IMITATE Paul 1 Cor 11:1

Like I said there is more , like there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE , OR for PURGATORY

dan p

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

# 1 OSAS , because of Gal 3:28 , ARE // ESTE , is a Greek word in the PRESENT TENSE .

# 2 Anew CREATION , in 2 Cor 5:17

# 3 Wea are FRAMERS , as written in 1 Cor 3:6-9 , and means you have to plant and water what Paul PLANTED , Eph 3:9

and Rom 16:25 and 26 !!

# 4 And we have to IMITATE Paul 1 Cor 11:1

Like I said there is more , like there is NO Greek word for RAPTURE , OR for PURGATORY

dan p

Ok, but are you reading Dispensationalism into it? I don't think it necessarily competes with covenant theology.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Hermeneutics has now gotten me into communication theory and phenomenology. Paul Ricoeur is blowing my mind. Heidegger, Kant, even Augustine. What is time? It all is intertwined with how we understand the Bible, and the whole world for that matter..