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You posted "If is merely an orderly sequence set out by an intelligence, then no, "
..that would mean the computer code running in your computer doesn't contain any information.....me thinks your logic is faulty.
According to what I have heard from creation scientists, the information in our cells can be regarded as having "specified complexity", that is what sets it apart from things like snowflakes because whilst snowflakes are complex, they are also random. Also, according to one creation biologist, the chemicals in our cells are not necessarily behaving according to the laws of chemistry while we are alive, but only begin to do so once we die. For instance, I understand that amino acids have to have the same-handedness, not only in humans, but in all life (and the same apparently goes for proteins), but when a living creature dies, the chemicals start doing what they would naturally do and begin to revert to a racemate, i.e., mixture of right-handed and left-handed molecules. If this is indeed the case, then it's surely another problem for the idea that life can come from non-life by natural means.
Going back to information - is it not merely a message from a sender to a receiver? My Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary describes it thus: "information (on / about sb/sth) facts or details about sb/sth" So I suppose you could argue that the workings of the cell are using facts or details about sb/sth in order to be able to "know" what their respective tasks are to keep the cell alive and therefore they do contain information. Here's a simple summary http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/dna4.htm
I am rather amazed at your continued poor reading comprehension. I was talking about whether DNA is "information" by your definition. Once again, when you don't understand ask questions politely. We can all see that you lack quite a bit of understanding.
My mistake, I should have said "Creation-believing scientists" or perhaps "Bible-believing scientists"
He has a PhD, and once taught evolution as fact, but later came to recognise the lie that he used to teach when he found God. Maybe the same thing will happen to you one day, you never know!
Then DNA is not information by that standard since there is no sender nor receiver in that sense. Like I said, either the definition of "information" will eliminate DNA as being information or it will include the possibility of DNA gaining information through natural means. I have yet to see a creationist violate this.
I said ask politely. Try again.Lets make the question simpler for you...does your computer code contain information?
You can't even define "information". We can show how new traits are added. Now if you want to call that "new information" then yes we can show how new information is added.DNA can't gain information through natural means. If it could the evos would have shown how. But, as we all know....they're a no show.
I said ask politely. Try again.
You need to remember that you are the one that is clearly wrong here and you are in no position to have such an attitude.
Yes, DNA contains a code..which is a set of instructions. Information. The problem is this...the evos CAN'T call it information. The evos are forbidden to call it information. Anyone reading this thread lately can easly recognize the evos delima.
Once they call it a code....they have to admit to the possibility of intelligent design. I love watching them walk on eggs.
You havea been presented with several examples....then you act like you haven't. What a strange tactic you're using.
Does your computer code contain INFORMATION? It's really a pretty simple question to answer.
Does your computer code contain INFORMATION? It's really a pretty simple question to answer.
You can't even define "information". We can show how new traits are added. Now if you want to call that "new information" then yes we can show how new information is added.
And again, when you are the one in abject ignorance you need to be much more humble.
What is information? It's really a much simpler question that you won't answer.
If a new trait is evolved then there is a requirement for new information...instructions...in the DNA on how to build it. You seem to disagree with that concept.
To date there is no mechanism recognized by scientist on how the instructions could be coded into the DNA to allow the new trait to be realized. I widh I could help you with a few suggestions...but there just isn't any. Information can't be increased via the process of descent with modification.
If it can....SHOW US. But I do have a great confidence that you can't.
You can't even define "information". We can show how new traits are added. Now if you want to call that "new information" then yes we can show how new information is added.
And again, when you are the one in abject ignorance you need to be much more humble.
I'm getting bored of the wishy washy replies of the evo-babblers.
Perhaps I should ask them to show how information can be contained in a code...and read via another mechanism....and a task performed...derived via a process of random mutation and natural selection.
I've already given you one definition...instruction...Do I need to write it bigger for you? INSTRUCTION
I belive in several post in this thread I said instructions are one of the elements of information. So, please stop lying and claiming I didn't tell you what "information" is.
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