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Help me understand John 3:16

Can someone help me understand John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....”?

I am told that this passage means that God sacrificed His Son for my salvation. But, I do not see any sacrifice.

As an earthly father, if I gave my son over to a sacrificial crucifixion, then I would never be with him again. I would have made an enormous sacrifice.

But God is an omnipresent father. He is in all places, Heaven and Earth. God was with Jesus on Earth who then came to be at His side in Heaven forever. God sacrificed nothing.

I do not understand.

Thank you.
 

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Can someone help me understand John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....”?
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Covenant language , a sacred promise : even if I or my family must suffer , I promise that I will be there to protect , defend , feed , and care for you . There is no covenant without the shedding of blood .

Jesus the New Covenant passover lamb , as the blood of Jesus is placed upon the windows & door posts of this dirt house we dwell in [ eyes , ears, heart ] the destroyer must " pass by us ", for we are marked as children of God

Jesus emptied himself of his divinity to walk upon the earth as a man , to keep the Law of Moses , to complete the Old Covenant and be the sacrifice for the New Covenant of Grace , that we might receive the Holy Spirit and power , so we could keep His commandments .

Except Jesus could fail , except he could be tempted , tried , feel pain and suffer ; it was an empty , nonduplicatible victory . If in fact Jesus walked as we walked , armed only with the Word of God , the support of the Holy Spirit and Angels - then it is an awsome example : we can do in our small part to play , what He did : pray , listen , hear the voice of the Father and do what is required of us .

John 3.16 is the mercy , compassion , love that draws families together , leads us to forgiveness of those who offended us , pushes us to share the word of God and the victory of God in us with others

John 3.16 is an admonition to lay down our agenda , as Jesus laid down his , to submit to the will of the Father . To become what He desires , that we have the grace we need to walk uprightly before him .
 
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Jesus was a man also. He still felt the pain that a human being would feel on the cross. Imagine having a child and seeing him going through that suffering. Most parents will tell you that they would rather suffer themselves than see a child of theirs (no matter what age) suffer pain/anguish and death.

So, yes, God the Father didn't lose his Son, because his Son came back to Him, but He still suffered seeing Christ's pain on the cross. He also suffered his Son taking on the sins of the world. This may be something that to us does not seem unbearable, but sin is detestable to God.
 
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I think there was a thread on this a bit ago. Jesus' relationship with the Father is changed forever. Not for a few years, forever. To understand that is a big deal. And could you imagine having to remember every day seeing your son beaten, nailed to a tree, spit on...ya, no big deal eh? Unless you have kids.
 
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Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 ¶ Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 
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esquire918 said:
Can someone help me understand John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....”?

I am told that this passage means that God sacrificed His Son for my salvation. But, I do not see any sacrifice.

As an earthly father, if I gave my son over to a sacrificial crucifixion, then I would never be with him again. I would have made an enormous sacrifice.

But God is an omnipresent father. He is in all places, Heaven and Earth. God was with Jesus on Earth who then came to be at His side in Heaven forever. God sacrificed nothing.

I do not understand.

Thank you.
2 Corinthians 5:21
"God made Him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin (or be a sin offering) for us, so that in Him (Jesus) we might be made the righteousness of God"

Mark 15:34
At the sixth hour darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out "...My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me ?"

The sacrifice was made by God the Son of God, Jesus the Messiah - the One who was forever with the Father & the Spirit WILLINGLY took upon Himself the humiliation of being made flesh in the likeness of man. Why, because He (God) SO loved the world. He chose to WILLINGLY suffer humiliation at the hands of his creatures and to suffer the excruciating torment in order to pay for the sins of His creation. He COULD have wiped all mankind out and started again but His love compelled Him, as unfathomable as it is to us to understand, to make whatever sacrifice necessary to ransom the fallen human race.

He chose to become the sin-bearer for the sins of the WHOLE world of ALL people who have ever lived, who live now and of all who will live in the future. The sins of such as Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, Jeffery Dahmer, etc., etc., etc.

We don't know the full extent of the suffering Christ made as the sin-bearer but we can well imagine that the darkness the Bible speaks of as encompassing the whole land for those 3 hours while Christ was on the Cross was probably when the Father poured out His wrath upon His precious Son and for that time turned His back as Christ became the embodiment of all that is evil and sinful and an abomination in the eyes of a holy God ! And the One who was suffering all this was God Himself on the Cross, the eternal Son. The thing He despised and abhorred He now was - SIN !

Such is the magnitude of the sacrifice of God on behalf of sinful man. Eternity in heaven worshiping this One who paid the sacrifice for sin will be too short a time even come close to understanding His glorious love and wonderous sacrifice; consequently, eternity in the lake of fire, where worm never dies nor is the fire quenched could never make the payment necessary to appease a holy and righteous God. What sinful, unrepentant man could never pay in an eternity, Jesus the Christ paid for completely and fully for EVERY man in those dreadful hours He was tormented, physically and more importantly mentally, emotionally and spiritually on the Cross.

Lord Jesus - may You forever be praise and adored by your saints and angels for Your matchless love, mercy and grace and may many be added to Your Kingdom before You come again to receive us unto Yourself:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:



Ray :wave:
 
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This goes right to the ultimate focus of our faith, esquire198, and its deepest mystery: the Holy Trinity.

The great theologian, St Thomas Aquinas, stated that God is impassible, he cannot suffer. And yet, while this seems highly plausible, since we cannot know God in his deepest essence and anything approaching his whole scope, it seems to me that that was not how how Christ wants us to see Him; but rather the contrary. He wants us to focus on God in an aspect that is ultra sensitive and ultra human - as Christ was himself, of course, in his humanity - instead of as a Judge Dread, Terminator kind of android, the stuff of young male fantasies. Hey, it's not for young men to wear their heart on their sleeve, least of all among their peers. Christ too, although, for our sakes, seems to have been as roughly spoken as he could be. I've never read any work of fiction or non-fiction in which a character was habitually so roughly spoken. And never more so, usually, than when he was actually performing his innumerable personal acts of kindness. Yet in his lament over Jerusalem, he let the cat out of the bag. He would have gathered even the stony-hearted, religious leaders to his bosom, as a mother hen her brood. But they would not.

"Philip, when you see me, you see the Father". As three persons in one nature, the Persons of the Holy Trinity are inseparable, so we have to cling to what Christ told us, as the only way we can begin to apporach an understanding of such deep mysteries. Incidentally, that means that even while Christ was dying on the cross in his humanity, in his Godhead he had never left his Father's side at any time. He is always there, always has been and always will be. So, what earlier posters wrote and quoted from scripture contribute to the explanation you are looking for, although since the deepest truths are spiritual and increasingly paradoxical the closer we approach the primordial truth of the Holy Trinity, they will always remain, to some extent, shrouded in mystery.

So, although it sounds horrifying to our limited understanding, there is this strange way in which Justice is - had to be - assuaged by that horrifying vicarious punishment on Golgotha. The "busy minds" of liberal putative theologians have apparently been trying to explain it away and discount this strange transaction of our redemption through Christ's suffering and death. But, in this they have been influenced by the liberal atheists (not honest agnostics, but militant atheists) and thus evidently see themselves as more compassionate and holy that Christ himself.

They end up discounting the binding words of scripture, even when pronounced most vehemently, emphatically and constantly by Christ himself. Not casting pearls before swine, but rather meekly cherishing the dross that swine throw in their own path. What a bitter irony, and teaching others to do the same.

Incidentally, in this sad country that I inhabit, Britain, much to the thoroughly commendable disgust and contempt of Moslems and people of other faiths, no seasonal Christian theme, such as the Nativity, is allowed on our postage stamps. And there are other similar prohibitions, all promulgated, not from a genuine concern for other faiths as, the architects of the policy claim, but through a hatred of Christianity.
 
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I wanted to add this comment to the scriptures I gave earlier - that having a narrow mind towards the definition of sacrifice just does not escape the pain and suffering envolved in Christ's love to stay upon that cross, innocent of any crime, when He could have called ten thousand angels to rescue Him; this, indeed is sacrifice few would consider, if any. If not for God's power over life and death, then there would be no passage for man into God's eternal kingdom, with no victory for man over the grave and death. This was done for us when we did not deserve it.
 
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