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I've seen many of you so happy and generally life-loving people here, I want to be one myself. Going under the shower, singing 'Sing with me, sing for the years, sing for the laughter, sing for the tears, sing with me, just for today, maybe tomorrow the good Lord will take you away', smiling like a child for a promise of a big chocolate icecream for such idea is what you describe as 'walking dead'. Well, I believe I fit the profile exactly. So I you could please make me a Christian.. I was born in a Catholic family alright and got baptised, attended church(still do) and things but those were my child years. Kind of a dream really because I didn't have to make any kind of decisions and I just watched the life pass by. I believe this would be best described by the term self-unaware. Now it got heavy. It actually got horrible. Not gonna go too deep into that, I'm a walking dead, roaring within, one unresting man. I read the bible and end up gathering blames for Jesus. I seriously see Jesus a glory-chaser, a rock-star. According to what Bible says, that way I find certaintity that hell won't be a vacant lot.

If you could please educate me..
Kind of cracking up.
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Have you accepted the Lord in your life? If not, just accept Him right now.

I believe, when it comes to being a Christian, it has to do with "believing" in Jesus rather than making it a "religious" act. If your not being spiritually fed at your current church, then find one that will feed you. Forget about what people are telling you about Jesus. Begin reading your Bible and see what Jesus is all about. What I'm trying to say is "get to know Jesus on a more personal level." When you do this, things will begin making more sense.
When you begin playing the "blame game" towards Jesus, that's just what Satan wants. He knows that blaming Jesus will keep you away from getting to know Him on a deeper level. Don't fall for that old trick. Instead, rebuke the devil and run to Jesus.
 
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Oh man... I feel for you...

Is there anything in particular you would like to know? Or anything in particular that you want help with?
Are you worried about the existence of God or just trying to find joy in a relationship with Jesus?
Are you a born again Christian or do you just go to church as a tradition?

Just trying to work out what we can do to help you

First of all, without knowing much about you, I will just give some advice:

1) Is God alive and working at the church you go to? Do you feel or see the holy spirit acting in services? If not then the first thing I would advise is go to as many different churches as you can and find one which you feel really comfortable in, find one which is ALIVE which God is working in. It doesn't matter what denomination... catholic, baptist, orthodox, Pentecostal... whatever. All the denominations are part of the body of Christ, as long as they believe in the core of Christianity. (i.e Jesus and his death for our sins)

2) Once you have found a good church make as many friends as possible, try to find a "soul friend" someone who you can talk to when you are down and doubting, someone who can be a kind of mentor to you.

3) If you have not been baptised in the spirit yet then I would advise you make sure you find a church that is very strong in the spirit. I was always a lukewarm Christian up until about a year and a half ago when I started going to a Christian youth group. After about a month I went to a large revival meeting for 3 days. On the night of the second day I was baptised in the spirit which basically means the holy spirit filled me for the first time... it actually knocked me to the ground because it was so powerful... after that I felt happier then I have ever been in my life!

4) Go to a revival meeting like the one I went to... I don't know where you live but New Wine and Soul Survivor are two great ones which are happen during early August in England, they have web sites if you want to go have a look and see what they are about.

Sorry if some of this seems derogatory... I am not sure exactly how much you know about Christainity

Hope this helps:)
-WWC
 
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Hi CJ :wave:

If you have already accepted Christ as your personal Savior, embrace that fully. I too struggled like you for years with the feeling of "I'm just here." The thing that really helped me was to keep reminding myself that our Father in Heaven is a present help in time of trouble. He is with us all the time, even when we don't feel His presence. He is not blind to anything we go through, and He has promised that all things work together for the greater good.

He is your friend. Your very best friend. Talk to him just like you believe that. It's not about being "Christian." That's just a label. Having a personal relationship with Christ is what it's really all about. Knowing that He loves you so very much, and is always there for you, no matter what you've done, no matter how unworthy you feel, or any other reason. He is truly faithful and is truly one very awesome God! Keep reading your Bible, keep praying, and just keep talking to Him. Sit down in peace and quiet, and just spend time with Him as if you could see Him sitting right there beside you. As you envision Him this way, you will find more and more joy.

I hope this helps you! God bless you! :prayer:
 
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Do you believe in, not just acknowledge, but believe in Jesus and His death and resurrection?

Have you personally asked Him to forgive all your sins?

Have you turned all the shot-calling in your life over to Him?

Have you asked Him to come into your heart? Have you asked God for the Holy Spirit?

If you have, you are a Christian.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." - Romans 10:9

"Confess" means more than just rattle off. Think before you say it. Can you say it with conviction?

"Beleive," as I said before, means more than acknowledge. We can "know" something but not believe it. Are you willing to stake your eternity on this?
 
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Alright then... I shall say this:

Accept the Lord into your heart, and ask Him to be your guide for life.

Read the Bible when you can. It's good, even when done occasionally. I'm sure God understands if you find that there isn't as much time to read the Bible as you had hoped, due to other things such as jobs and work, whatever puts bread on the table and helps you survive.

Find a church that teaches to its congregation that the Bible is the one and only authority. This is important so you don't end up doing something effectively described as "wrong" and twisting procedures described in the Bible. Examples would be getting baptised before you accept the Lord Jesus in your life (which is not how it is described in the Bible at all), but then again your parents were Catholic and you were just a young infant I guess so you couldn't help it. God knows this, and He'll forgive you for it.

This is just me talking. You need to ask God for guidance on this.

Nobody can make you a Christian but you and you alone. Only then can God begin working in your life.
 
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Accept the Lord into your heart, and ask Him to be your guide for life.

Yeah, so all of you say just the thing. Of course I asked Him to be the guide of my life. But haven't you heard, when we're phony black from our sins God won't even hear us talk? There's gotta be an explanation to that, how other way God could be almighty?..

I didn't get to the Confirmation Sacrament yet.

But I expierienced many things that Christianity describes as the work of the Holy Spirit. Insane boost of wisdom would be the first. But that's not the point, how do I know this is not the evil at work?It can do the same, right? Did you know it's actually friend guiding after being baptised in spirit?Cause now I don't. This is why I need to acknowledge some things. This is exactly where I need knowledge. I like your approach, Walking with Christ, and I already posted an answer yesterday, but there was this thing with server down:)mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ). So, angry as the hell about the Heaven, I will say again:
I don't know much about Christianity, what I know is we shouldn't sin in order to be God-worthy, devil drags the people to him, and people need to drag themselves to God, we live on one world with demons, our lives are a subject of a heavy war. In other words, pick a 1st grade educational course for me, ok?

Jody, this is not a blaming game, it is believing in general. Being forever torn apart and screaming in brutal agony is not exactly the stuff I play around with, trust me on that.

Dr. Holly, before I can do that I need to draw some lines. You know, devil is one clever powerful beast. Gotta be careful! I would like it to be that simple this very moment!!

Have you personally asked Him to forgive all your sins?

Have you turned all the shot-calling in your life over to Him?

Have you asked Him to come into your heart? Have you asked God for the Holy Spirit?

If you have, you are a Christian.

I done that, yes, I have, but how can I make sure it's not devil disguised? I need to know some things!
And I'm not easy at believing, before believe I need to understand, at least make sure I'm not being diluted or paranoid. Careful approach. Well?
 
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_CJ_ said:
Yeah, so all of you say just the thing. Of course I asked Him to be the guide of my life. But haven't you heard, when we're phony black from our sins God won't even hear us talk? There's gotta be an explanation to that, how other way God could be almighty?..

I didn't get to the Confirmation Sacrament yet.

But I expierienced many things that Christianity describes as the work of the Holy Spirit. Insane boost of wisdom would be the first. But that's not the point, how do I know this is not the evil at work?It can do the same, right? Did you know it's actually friend guiding after being baptised in spirit?Cause now I don't. This is why I need to acknowledge some things. This is exactly where I need knowledge. I like your approach, Walking with Christ, and I already posted an answer yesterday, but there was this thing with server down:)mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ). So, angry as the hell about the Heaven, I will say again:
I don't know much about Christianity, what I know is we shouldn't sin in order to be God-worthy, devil drags the people to him, and people need to drag themselves to God, we live on one world with demons, our lives are a subject of a heavy war. In other words, pick a 1st grade educational course for me, ok?

Jody, this is not a blaming game, it is believing in general. Being forever torn apart and screaming in brutal agony is not exactly the stuff I play around with, trust me on that.

Dr. Holly, before I can do that I need to draw some lines. You know, devil is one clever powerful beast. Gotta be careful! I would like it to be that simple this very moment!!



I done that, yes, I have, but how can I make sure it's not devil disguised? I need to know some things!
And I'm not easy at believing, before believe I need to understand, at least make sure I'm not being diluted or paranoid. Careful approach. Well?


What do you think God wants from you?
 
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To admit that even if stepped over the line of human eduring capabilities I'm still not anything worth glory .. or to realize I'm not worth what I'd want to be. Maybe.

I asked you what you think God wants from you. Your reply is rather honest. I sense you feel somewhat of a failure toward God. But admitting failure is a major step in getting to what God wants from you.

Our sense of worth is dependent on what we feel others think of us. Perhaps right now you feel somewhat condemned by God because maybe you life is not as you hope that it be. May I say to you that it needn't be that way.

Your look at yourself according to the sins you've committed. Or maybe you think that you can't possibly please God because you would feel hypocritical. You feel condemned in your sin.

But let's look at what sin really is.

Jesus said in Matthew 22:37:

"...Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Since sin is breaking one of God's commandments, sin is really about failing to love as we should. I think often times we look at the sin to hard and not at what the effects of that sin is. Even if we try in our might to obey the Ten Commandments, it only amounts to trying not to break the commandments. It only leads to frustration because we are only trying to obey to keep us out of trouble. And this is where we fail, because our motivation is misplaced.

Merely obeying the Ten Commandments will save nobody. In Luke 18:10-14, the Pharasee went into the temple to pray, but he boasted of all the things he done: he tithed, gave to the poor, obeyed the commandments. Yet the publican, who cried out "Have mercy on me a sinner" went away justifed rather Pharasee. Why? the Pharasee "punched all the tickets", but you see, he did it to show his selfish reputation and good standing. He didn't obey out of love. The publican realized his need for God's forgiveness, grace, and mercy and went away changed for he knew of God's love for him.

Down a few verses in Luke 18:18-27, a rich young ruler asked Jesus how he can inherit eternal life. Jesus asked him if he obeyed the commandments, and the rich young ruler said he had. But then Jesus said he lacked one thing, and that was to go out and give all his riches to the poor and follow Him. But he went away sad because he couldn't do that. Really, he lacked love to obey God, because of his selfish greed.

So do you really want to be a Christian? Then obey the Law of Love. When you love others, you will fulfill the law and love will cover a multitude of sins. Get you mind off the sin and onto God and your neighbor. God will take care of the times you fall, Christ died for that purpose. But the important thing is to pick yourself back up and move on. Remember, God gives us His Spirit to help us. But we must be willing to give it a go.
 
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So many times when our walk with God doesnt seem right to us, the problem lies with the fact we never truly learned our first step, we say we Love God , we say we Love Christ, we say we Love our neighbor, but when we ask ourself what is Love we cant answer this ?, and if we cant answer that ? then how can we truly Love God , how can we truly Love Christ, how can we truly Love our neighbors, if we dont truly know and live Love then our walk is unsteady and we stumble and we fall and we wonder why God does not seem to be in our life. go back to the beginning and learn Love it is defined in 1Cor13:4-7 by 12 manners-characteristics, learn these and apply them in all you do with your hands and mind, i promice your ?? will be answered and your walk will greatly improve. may God be with you in all. God is Love
 
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What is God? What is God and what is the other reason than a nice pack of salary to love Him?


What is God? Read the Scriptures, sir. That's how you'll get to know who He is.

"a nice pack of salary to love Him"? Whatever do you mean by that?
 
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Ad.2 I mean salvation, eternal happiness.
AD.1 Reading the scriptures gets me to a point God is a mysterious being that controls all others, one who said Thou shalt not have and gods before me and later on sends His son for mankind to belive in. The scriptures make no sense to me, I find a hundred oppositions, one telling against another. This is why this topic is here.
 
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_CJ_ said:

I believe this would be best described by the term self-unaware.


the Kingdom of Heavens is within us. the Divine breath is within us.

if we want to find God we should look within our hearts.
it may be awful and devastating to fight and struggle for what we hide inside but but it's the only way to truly reach Him.


if you are sincerely looking for valid answers you'd better look deeply in the Catholic or Orthodox faith.
i don't know much about Catholicism but i know it's close to Orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy teaches methods and has the tools to heal the suffering soul. Orthodoxy is not talking about psychological peace or balance and does not accept the "one time saved, always saved" notion.

Orthodoxy goes deep inside in the lonely and painful labyrinths of our heart and souls. Her aim is to heal these paths and prepare the heart and soul for being aware of the Divine dwelling inside.
 
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Ad.2 I mean salvation, eternal happiness.
AD.1 Reading the scriptures gets me to a point God is a mysterious being that controls all others, one who said Thou shalt not have and gods before me and later on sends His son for mankind to belive in. The scriptures make no sense to me, I find a hundred oppositions, one telling against another. This is why this topic is here.
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There is no contradiction here. Jesus is God the Son. A good study on the Deity of Christ is instructive.
 
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I'm not as ressistant against suggestions to read it and not to be distracted. I'd rather like to know how can dying be almighty? There's some major scheme behind this devil-be-a-bad-one thing. Have you read it? Teach me, talk to me, I'm in hunger of it!

Jesus didn't stay dead, that's because He is Almighty!

Let's get something straight about the Devil. He can only tempt us, but we are the ones who sin, who let the temptation overcome us. We are led by our own desires (See James 1:13-15). Satan just leads us to water, but we're the ones who drink.
 
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