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Hi All,

I'm feeling confused as a Christian. Mainly, how can we all know that Jesus is God and what he said was true when he lived over 2000 years ago? Also, if things are all worked out in God's time, what's the point of asking for them in prayer? Also, the age old question, why is there so much pain in this world? I know wars and that are started by pride and ego, but I mean the suffering from people who have mental and physical handicaps. I pray every day, but a lot of the time I don't feel God's presence. What am I doing wrong?
I say all these things not as a way to "bash" God or that, but I feel pain over it, since I've been looking for a way to better understand, but I haven't yet. Any helpful advice? :wave:
 
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Homer27 said in post 1:

Mainly, how can we all know that Jesus is God and what he said was true when he lived over 2000 years ago?

Regarding Jesus Christ being God, we can know that from the scriptures, which show that he's God (Jn. 1:1,14, 10:30, 20:28, Titus 2:13, Philip. 2:6, Mt. 1:23). And he's uncreated God, just as God the Father is uncreated God, for everything that's been created has been created by Jesus (Jn. 1:3, Col. 1:16-17). Because Jesus is uncreated, there was never a time when he was not; he's always existed: he's YHWH the Holy One, from everlasting (Hab. 1:12a, Acts 3:14, Mic. 5:2c). Jesus is YHWH the only Savior (Isa. 43:11, Titus 2:13), YHWH the good shepherd (Ps. 23:1, Jn. 10:11, Mk. 10:18), YHWH who'll set his feet on the Mount of Olives at his return (Zech. 14:3-4, Acts 1:11-12), YHWH who's the 1st & the last (Isa. 44:6, Rev. 2:8), YHWH the great I AM (Ex. 3:14, Jn. 8:58), the great God (Titus 2:13), the mighty God (Isa. 9:6), one God with God the Father (Jn. 10:30, 20:28), equal in divinity with God the Father (Philip. 2:6).

Just as the Trinity of Father, Son, & Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19) is the 3 distinct, coexisting Persons (Mk. 1:9-11) of God the Father (Gal. 1:3), God the Son (Heb. 1:8), & God the Holy Spirit (cf. Mk. 13:11 & Mt. 10:19-20, Acts 5:3-4), so the Trinity is YHWH the Father, YHWH the Son, & YHWH the Holy Spirit, for YHWH is the only God (Isa. 45:5-6). He has always been & forever will be the only God (Isa. 43:10b).

There are so many different ways to illustrate the Trinity it shouldn't be difficult for every Christian to get at least some realization of it. While there's no sufficient analogy to completely explain God (Isa. 40:18), how he can be one God & yet 3 Persons at the same time, the Bible does refer to God speaking things into existence (Gen. 1:3; Heb. 11:3). What God spoke was his Word, who's that Person of the Trinity who's become flesh in Jesus (Jn. 1:1,14, 1 Tim. 3:16, Lk. 24:39). But God the Word existed even before God the Father spoke anything into existence, for all things created were created by God the Word (Jn. 1:1-3, Col. 1:16-17). And the original Greek word in Jn. 1:1,14 for "Word" is "Logos", which refers not only to spoken words, but also to any ordered thoughts. Clearly, God has always had ordered thoughts, so God the Word has always existed.

So a human analogy for God would have God the Father as the mind, & God the Word as the ordered thoughts, speech, & writings (incarnate words) of that mind. God the Holy Spirit would then be analogous to the breath (spirit) which is inextricable from human speech, & is also inextricable from ordered thought, in that a non-breathing person is dead & his brain has no thoughts. God the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4) is one God with God the Father & God the Word because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father (Mt. 10:19-20 & Mk. 13:11) & the Spirit of the Word (Jn. 14:16-18, Rom. 8:9). While an individual human isn't 3 persons, the truth about God can still be grasped by looking at man's design, for man was made in God's image (Gen. 1:26). Just as an individual man has his word (Rev. 12:11) & his spirit (1 Thes. 5:23), so the one God has his Word (Jn. 1:1) & his Spirit (Rom. 8:9). But the one God is so infinitely greater than man (Isa. 40:17), the Word of God & the Spirit of God are distinct Persons within his being.

Besides the analogy of a single human's mind, thoughts/speech/writings, & breath, the Trinity can also be compared to the single sun's sphere, light, & heat. The Father would be analogous to the sun's sphere, which is invisible to humans except for its visible light, which is analogous to the incarnate, visible Word (Col. 1:15, Jn. 14:9). And the sun is felt by humans via its invisible, infrared rays, which would be analogous to the Spirit. The Trinity can also be compared to H20 (subscript 2), which even though it's only one substance, it can exist in 3 distinct states of solid, liquid, & gas at the same time (such as in a water pitcher 2/3 full with water & ice cubes, & with water vapor filling the top 1/3 of the pitcher). The Trinity can also be compared to space, which even though it's only one area, it consists of 3 distinct dimensions at the same time. The Trinity can also be compared to 1x1x1=1, or 1a x 1b x 1c = 1abc.
 
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Homer27 said in post 1:

Mainly, how can we all know that Jesus is God and what he said was true when he lived over 2000 years ago?

Regarding what Jesus said as being true, Biblical Christians know that what he said is true because they have received God's miraculous gift of Christian faith (Eph. 2:8, Jn. 6:65, 1 Cor. 3:5b, Rom. 12:3b, Heb. 12:2) & some measure of God's own Spirit (1 Cor. 2:11-16). And so they're able to spiritually recognize if something is said by God (Jn. 10:4,27, 1 Cor. 14:37) or only by some "stranger" (Jn. 10:5).

And Biblical Christians know the Bible is God's Word not only because of the spiritual evidence of faith (Heb. 11:1), but also because Jesus himself confirms the entire Old Testament (OT) is true (Mt. 5:17-18, Lk. 24:44-48). And the entire New Testament (NT) was written by eyewitnesses of Jesus (2 Pet. 1:16, 1 Jn. 1:1-4, 1 Cor. 9:1, Jn. 19:35, 21:24, 1 Pet. 5:1, Lk. 24:48, Rev. 1:17-19) or their immediate followers (Lk. 1:1-2, Heb. 2:3). And Jesus' NT death for our sins & resurrection from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4) fulfilled OT prophecy (Acts 26:22-23, Isa. 53, Ps. 16:10, Acts 2:31). Also, no doctrine in the Bible has ever been proven false, so there's no reason for any Christian to reject any doctrine taught by the Bible.

It's the Bible which is able to make people wise unto salvation through faith which is in Jesus Christ (2 Tim. 3:15, 1 Pet. 1:23-25, Rom. 10:17, Acts 13:48, Jas. 1:18). All the Bible's teachings were given by the inspiration of God, so they're all true & God's Word (2 Tim. 3:16-4:4). Jesus says: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (Jn. 8:31). Christians must be willing to die before they'd deny any part of his Word (Mk. 8:35-38). One of Satan's prime aims is to get people to reject all or parts of God's Word & start believing something else which sounds better to them as humans (Gen. 3:1-6, Mt. 16:21-23, 1 Tim. 4:1, 2 Tim. 4:3-4), but which can't save them, so that they will end up in eternal punishment with Satan & his fallen angels (Mt. 25:41,46, Rev. 20:10,15, 14:10-11).

Also, if things are all worked out in God's time, what's the point of asking for them in prayer?

Because of what's said in Jas. 4:2b, Mt. 7:7-11, Lk. 18:1-8.

Also, the age old question, why is there so much pain in this world?

Satan can be the one who causes people to suffer (Lk. 13:16), & Jesus came to counteract Satan's work in the world (Jn. 10:10). Jesus miraculously healed multitudes of people (Mt. 12:15b) oppressed by Satan (Acts 10:38), & Jesus still miraculously heals some people today, sometimes through Christians who've been given the Spiritual gift of miraculous healing (1 Cor. 12:9).

Christians, with their hope of eternal life (Titus 1:2), can look far beyond any temporal suffering they may be undergoing (2 Cor. 4:16-18, Rev. 2:10-11, 1 Pet. 4:12-13). God can permit some Christians to suffer in order to help them remain humble before him & others (2 Cor. 12:7). Also, suffering can actually strengthen Christians spiritually (Rom. 5:3-5). It can help them to stop putting any hope in that which is merely mortal & temporal (2 Cor. 4:16-18, Jn. 12:25, Mt. 10:37-39). Also, when God allows Christians to suffer, he provides them with his comfort to help them through their suffering (2 Cor. 1:3-7).

We mustn't say it's evil for God to allow human suffering, for the only way to eradicate any possibility of human suffering would be to eradicate any possibility of humans committing sin (Jn. 5:14), & the only way to eradicate any possibility of humans committing sin would be to eradicate human free will. It's better for humans to have free will & for there to be the possibility of suffering, than for humans to be robots with no free will & for there to be no possibility of suffering. By becoming a human in Jesus & suffering & dying for our sins, God has made a way for us to retain our free will & yet escape suffering in hell forever for our sins. For as the human/divine Son of God, Jesus' suffering satisfied God the Father's justice (Isa. 53:11), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Mt. 25:41,46).

Also, suffering is like gravity, in that while it can cause us problems, who would want to live without it? E.g., someone could say God was cruel to create gravity because it sometimes causes old people to fall down & break their hips. But who'd want to get rid of gravity & float off into space? It's the same way with suffering. Someone could say God was cruel to create the possibility of suffering. But if God made it impossible for us to suffer, what could happen to us? E.g., imagine you went on a camping trip, built a campfire, & laid down in your sleeping bag near the fire & fell asleep. While you were sleeping, you turned over at one point in such a way that your hand went into the fire. But because of your ability to suffer, you immediately woke up & pulled your hand out of the fire, keeping your hand from getting burned. But if you'd had no ability to suffer, you'd have stayed asleep with your hand in the fire, & woken up in the morning with no hand: it would have been burned clean off.

So suffering can be a good thing when it causes us to draw back from something that will hurt us. God sometimes brings suffering to those he loves as a way of chastening them & getting them to repent from a sin (Rev. 3:19, Heb. 12:5-11), because God knows how much harm their sin will cause them (Gal. 6:8, Heb. 10:26-29), while on their own they could be oblivious to the danger (Prov. 14:12).
 
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Hi All,

I'm feeling confused as a Christian. Mainly, how can we all know that Jesus is God and what he said was true when he lived over 2000 years ago?

Why does the passage of time cause you to doubt the eye-witness testimony of Christ's miraculous life, his sacrificial death, and his incredible resurrection? There are many facts of history that are much older than the accounts of Jesus' life which are generally held to be certain and true. Do you doubt all of ancient history merely because it is ancient? Check out Gary Habermas' book "The Historical Jesus."

Also, if things are all worked out in God's time, what's the point of asking for them in prayer?

Prayer is our means of communication with our Maker. If you don't communicate with God, can you really say you have a relationship with Him? Try having a relationship with a human person without ever communicating! It won't be much of a relationship. Prayer, then, is vital to the relationship a believer has to God.

Prayer also reminds us of our need of God. It reminds us of how dependent we are upon our Creator for everything. This reminder serves, in turn, to keep us properly humble and thankful toward God.

Also, the age old question, why is there so much pain in this world?

I think Bible2 gave you a good answer.

I know wars and that are started by pride and ego, but I mean the suffering from people who have mental and physical handicaps.

This is part of the corrupting and destructive effect of sin upon humanity.

I pray every day, but a lot of the time I don't feel God's presence. What am I doing wrong?

Walking with God is not about feelings but about faith. Not feeling God's presence has nothing necessarily to do with having done something wrong.
Sin does hinder fellowship with God, but the feeling of God's presence or the lack thereof is not always directly related to sin. Often God wants us to walk with Him based upon our faith in what we know about Him and His promises to us, not upon what we feel.

I say all these things not as a way to "bash" God or that, but I feel pain over it, since I've been looking for a way to better understand, but I haven't yet. Any helpful advice? :wave:

See above.

Selah.
 
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aiki said in post 6:

Walking with God is not about feelings but about faith.

Amen.

Faith isn't a feeling. Feelings can be deceptive (Prov. 14:12, 28:26, Jer. 17:9). Christians believe that God exists not because of feelings, but because they can see the universe's existence (Rom. 1:20, Ps. 19:1-4). And Christians believe in Jesus Christ, the human/divine Son of God (Jn. 20:31), and his gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4), not because of feelings, but because God miraculously granted them the gift of faith (Eph. 2:8, Jn. 6:65, 1 Cor. 3:5b, Rom. 12:3b, Heb. 12:2) and some measure of his Spirit (1 Cor. 2:10-16) as they heard (or read) God's Word the Bible (Rom. 10:17, Acts 13:48, 26:22-23).
 
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Homer27 said in post 1:

I'm feeling confused as a Christian.

Any feeling of confusion isn't from God (1 Cor. 14:33).

I pray every day, but a lot of the time I don't feel God's presence. What am I doing wrong?

If we don't feel any relationship with God, even though we consider ourselves to be Christians, it could be because we've subconsciously hardened our hearts against him because of something bad that happened in our life (e.g. the death of a loved one). We could be subconsciously blaming him for letting that bad thing happen, instead of using his power to keep it from happening. If that's the case, we need to pray & ask him to bring to our mind whatever is coming between us (Ps. 139:23-24), & to help us not to harden our heart against him (Heb. 3:15).

We should also fellowship with other Christians every day (Heb. 3:13, 10:25), at least in some fashion (Mt. 18:20), such as on this forum, being exhorted by them and exhorting them in turn (Heb. 3:13).

We also need to examine ourselves to make sure that we're truly in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5, Prov. 28:26, 14:12). The way to do this is to read every word of the Bible (Heb. 4:12, Mt. 4:4) and see if we accept everything it teaches as having come from God (Jn. 8:47, 2 Tim. 3:16). For just as a true faith will initially come from reading (or hearing) what the Bible teaches (Rom. 10:17, 2 Tim. 3:15), so we can know that we're remaining in the true faith if we continue to believe everything that the Bible teaches came from God (Jn. 8:31b, 2 Tim. 4:2-4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Mk. 8:35-38).

In order to have any real relationship with Jesus and God the Father and the Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19), most importantly we must believe the right things about Jesus (Jn. 14:6-7): that he's God the Word made flesh (Jn. 1:1,14), that he's the Christ (1 Jn. 5:1, 2:22), and that he's the only begotten (only born) Son of God (Jn. 3:16,36, 1 Jn. 2:23), meaning that he's the only person ever born without any human father (Lk. 1:34-35). And we must believe that Jesus lived a perfectly sinless life (Heb. 4:15, 2 Cor. 5:21) and so he could die on the Cross for our sins and rise from the dead on the third day (1 Cor. 15:1-4). He rose and will remain forever in an immortal flesh and bones human body (Lk. 24:39, 2 Jn. 1:7) as our eternally-human high priest/mediator (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 2:16-17, 7:24-26).

Once we come into faith in Jesus, we must obey him and God the Father and the Holy Spirit by repenting from all of our sins and getting water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus (Acts 2:38, Rom. 6:3-5, Gal. 3:27). And we must partake of the divine flesh and blood of the bread and wine of communion (Jn. 6:53, Mt. 26:26-28, 1 Cor. 10:16, 11:27-30). And we can get hands laid on us to receive Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 8:17) and one or more of the Holy Spirit's wonderful gifts (Acts 19:6, 1 Cor. 12:8-10). Then, washed from our sins by water baptism (Acts 22:16) and empowered by the Holy Spirit within us (Acts 1:8, Eph. 3:16), we must each and every day for the rest of our lives deny ourselves, take up our crosses, and follow Jesus (Lk. 9:23, 2 Cor. 5:15), by continuing in the faith to the end (Heb. 3:6,12,14, 6:4-8, Jn. 15:6, 2 Tim. 2:12), by repenting from every sin we might commit to the end (Heb. 10:26-29, 1 Cor. 9:27, Lk. 12:45-46), and by doing the particular spiritual works which he has given us as individuals to do to the end (Mk. 13:34, Rom. 12:6-8, Titus 3:8).

But if we as believers wrongly employ our free will to refuse to do these things, we can't expect to have any continued real relationship with Jesus & God the Father & the Holy Spirit. For a continued real relationship with them requires that we not only continue to believe in them but also continue to obey them (Jn. 15:10, 14:21,23). Faith without works is dead (Jas. 2:20) & cannot ultimately save us (Jas. 2:14-26, Rom. 2:6-8, Mt. 7:21, Heb. 5:9).

I say all these things not as a way to "bash" God or that, but I feel pain over it, since I've been looking for a way to better understand, but I haven't yet. Any helpful advice?

The best way to understand God is to study his Word the Bible (2 Timothy 3:15-4:4).

The best way to study the Bible, as a whole, is simply to read every word of it (Matthew 4:4) over and over again. It ends up explaining itself once every word of it has become completely engrained in your memory, and you see all the connections between verses regarding something in one place in the Bible and other verses regarding that same thing in other places in the Bible. It's by comparing and combining related verses from different places in the Bible that we arrive at correct doctrine (Isaiah 28:9-10, 1 Corinthians 2:13).

It's also a good practice to always end each reading session with a prayer for understanding and remembrance of the entire Bible.

One way to read the Bible is to think of it as seven volumes:

1. Genesis to Deuteronomy
2. Joshua to Esther
3. Job to Song of Solomon
4. Isaiah to Malachi
5. Matthew to Acts
6. Romans to Philemon
7. Hebrews to Revelation

You can read a chapter in each volume every day. This will keep you current in every part of the Bible. After a while, there won't be any part you haven't read recently enough to remember what it says. When you reach the end of a volume, simply start again at the first chapter of that volume. In this way, you will be cycling through smaller volumes like #6 and #7 much more often than larger volumes like #2, but the smaller volumes are so much more dense with doctrine that it can be profitable to read them over and over more often.

Also, you can listen to recordings of people reading the Bible, whenever you need to keep your eyes on something else while you listen (such as keeping your eyes on the road while you drive, or on a cutting board while you're preparing food, or on your clippers while you're trimming a hedge). In this way, you can listen to the Bible throughout the day, whenever you don't need to be thinking about something else (such as at your workplace). Also, you can listen to the Bible even while you're going to sleep, so that it will become part of even your subconscious mind.
 
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This is the tip of the iceberg.The bible has certain characteristics to conclude it could only be written by God. No other religious book does this.
Visit: www.TheBibleProofBook.com, (you will need acrobat reader for this), read The Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell a former agnostic- and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster a former athiest/The Case for Christ and The Real Jesus by Lee Strobel a former athiest.

100 fulfilled Bible prophecies
Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible (science website)
Eyewitnesses to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Apologetics Study - Evidence For The Christian Faith
CRI | Christian Research Institute, The Bible Answer Man

Historical Accuracy(bible is the most accurate history book)
The bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago and has not
been proven incorrect in any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament starts - at 25 years between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years

Number of Manuscript Copies-New Testament - 5,686/Homer - 643/Demosthenes - 200/
Plato - 7/Caesar -10

There is pain because its a fallen world and.....


1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you.

Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
 
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Throughout all the centuries, there have been always true believers, who kept the Word of God in its originality, because they appreciated it, and also feared God.

God cares enough for his Word, to make sure that it is kept in its originality.

The moral law, the ten commandments, are coded on the heart of every man, his conscience. They must be created, from somebody who is moral.

In all of creation, we see expressed a thought, wisdom and purpose, which shows, that there is somebody who thinks – God.

The Bible is a historical book, with recorded historical events.


If Jesus is the Word, how can the Bible not be true?


John 1:1-3, Jeremiah 1:12, Isaiah 55:10,11, Acts – 5:38, 39, 1 Peter 1:23-25, 1 Corinthians 15:5, 6, 30, 31, Matthew 5:18, 24:35, Psalm 119:89, Psalm 138:2, Romans 1:19, 20, 2:14, 15, Luke 1:1-4, 2:1-3, 16:17, Revelation 22:18,19, Matthew 2:6, 4:24,25, 7:16-20, 9:26,35, 11:20-23, 12:33, 12:40-42, 19:4-6, Luke 6:43, 44, Ezra 1:4, Hebrews 2:3,4, Acts 2:22, 14:3, 16:26-30
 
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