Help for the Atheists?

[GodsNet]

I been trough several Atheists and science forums, and I think I create a question they do not want or are not able to answer.

I need your opinion if this question is the one really can help to once and for all turn science against atheism and help remove the atheist messages from England's busses.

What it would be the most evolutionized specie?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

I am the way, the truth, and the life.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Pd: excuses by my bad English

 

[The Nihilist]

Hahahahahaha, no. That's not how evolution works. The most evolutionized[sic] species is the one that is best suited to its environment. Evolutionization is not some kind of hierarchy in which smarter animals are better.

 

[GodsNet]

TO The Nihilist



What it would be the civilization best suited to its environment?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

I am the way, the truth, and the life.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

 

[The Nihilist]

TO The Nihilist



What it would be the civilization best suited to its environment?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

I am the way, the truth, and the life.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Well, for me to answer that, you'll have to be more clear on what exactly you mean. Also, you'll have to articulate the environment you have in mind.

 

[GodsNet]

What it would be the civilization best suited for the universe?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.



I am the way, the truth, and the life.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

HHHHahahahah well

 

[The Nihilist]

Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think either belief affects the well-being of a society.

 

[Kharak]

The best society is probably the one with members mature enough to recognize that life does not run on a set of two answer and yes or no questions . . .

Science and atheism are not the same thing, granted, but science is methodically naturalistic and really doesn't care about the immaterial and unrecordable. When one attempts to play science against or for spiritual beliefs (however silly they seem), we must remain steadfast against the literalist and the blatant destructive power of absolute materialism. Creationism is just an abuse of legitimate science as eugenics and racism were.

 

[The Nihilist]

I'm not really sure this question is going to turn science against atheists

 

[Tenka]

I need your opinion if this question is the one really can help to once and for all turn science against atheism and help remove the atheist messages from England's busses.

In my opinion your question makes almost no sense, seems to carry gross misunderstanding of what evolutionary science is and has no potential to swing science in any way.

When you say you have unwillingness or inability to answer your question I can only assume that you are fishing for a particular answer nobody will provide.

What it would be the most evolutionized specie?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

Why are these necessarily mutually exclusive?

 

[Eudaimonist]

I need your opinion if this question is the one really can help to once and for all turn science against atheism and help remove the atheist messages from England's busses.

Good luck.

Well, no, not really. I like those signs.

What it would be the most evolutionized specie?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

Neither. Both categories of person are human and are both equally evolved. Evolution has nothing to do with belief, but with genetics.

There is your answer from an atheist.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

What it would be the civilization best suited for the universe?
A) The one that believes, that life has the potential to control universe.
B) The one that has hope on death.

A

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why A? I might be misunderstanding your exact intent with that option, but the civilization most suited for life in the universe is the one that believes in its own potentials for successfully dealing with issues related to survival and flourishing in the universe, instead of hoping for a (probably nonexistent) afterlife.

Now, if by "control" you mean something absurdly powerful, such as human beings developing godlike supernatural powers over the universe, then you've presented a false alternative. In that case, I would have to choose:

C) The one that seeks to flourish through rational means, and which therefore understands and accepts its finite nature in the universe, and which understands and strives for its great, but natural, potentials.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Gareth]

Do Atheists need a sense of humour?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Do Atheists need a sense of humour?

Do Christians need to post off-topic questions?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Gareth]

Definitely need it.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Definitely need it.

Definitely have it. And you are being a pest. Either go away or contribute to the topic subject.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[GodsNet]

Eudaimonist
Why A? I might be misunderstanding your exact intent with that option, but the civilization most suited for life in the universe is the one that believes in its own potentials for successfully dealing with issues related to survival and flourishing in the universe, instead of hoping for a (probably nonexistent) afterlife.

In the same way that Physicists believe that electro-magnetic –weak force of nature unify with the force of gravity second before the big bang ( “the beginning of the universe” when all the matter of the universe was concentrated in one point). I believe that scientist can find the theory of evolution unifies with the believe in God in the end of the universe.

In the beginning of the universe Jesus said something similar to the origin of the universe theory of big bang, and the theory of evolution that said that life starts bacteria size and then grows to cover the earth.
Mathew 13:31
31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

In addition, for the end of the universe, Jesus said about him self in revelation:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty”

In the same way if you development the evolution theory to future the last being it will be the Almighty. An Almighty, able to travel to time, and be the first one in the universe.

Good deduction?

 

[Kharak]

Science cannot reconcile with the unseen, nor should Faith be absolute on the material anyway. We should, under methodical naturalism, never be able to measure God in any way, shape or form. This does not, however, negate the power of faith.

 

[Eudaimonist]

In the same way that Physicists believe that electro-magnetic –weak force of nature unify with the force of gravity second before the big bang ( “the beginning of the universe” when all the matter of the universe was concentrated in one point). I believe that scientist can find the theory of evolution unifies with the believe in God in the end of the universe.

There is no reason why it should, but no reason why it can't either. You are entitled to your own beliefs, of course.

In the same way if you development the evolution theory to future the last being it will be the Almighty. An Almighty, able to travel to time, and be the first one in the universe.

Good deduction?

It's an interesting speculation and one I have heard before, although regarding technological development, not evolutionary change. But I don't think that either evolution or technology in any way guarantees anything other than finite, natural, biological entities existing in a natural universe.

Also, a biological entity able to travel through time wouldn't be God in the usual accepted sense. Being "first" doesn't place one above nature, or make one the Creator of physical existence, and doesn't make one Eternal. It makes one Doctor Who.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[GodsNet]

Eudaimonist
It's an interesting speculation and one I have heard before, although regarding technological development, not evolutionary change. But I don't think that either evolution or technology in any way guarantees anything other than finite, natural, biological entities existing in a natural universe.

Also, a biological entity able to travel through time wouldn't be God in the usual accepted sense. Being "first" doesn't place one above nature, or make one the Creator of physical existence, and doesn't make one Eternal. It makes one Doctor Who.

I agree with you, but at least it will be an “Almighty” with half of the characteristics of a Biblical God.
And I think a scientific accepted “Almighty” is better for the civilization, than a science with the goal of Death (“life is going to end no matter what”).

Eudaimonist
Please look in youtube and type "the future of civilization" by Dr Kaku
After seeing this

1.- It is an “Almighty” possible?
a) yes
b) no

2.- It is possible to have a science oriented to life and control of the universe?
a) yes
b) no

3.- For you, It is better to have a science oriented to life or to death?



I am the way, the truth, and the life.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"