Hello everyone I need your help

[Debi1967]

I put up some general guidelines and rules structure for Wiki usage this morning. I was able to do this by using the old rules we had in CF Wikipedia and conforming them to usage throughout the site.

Now this is how I need your help.... I need voices in there that are Conservative and Christians.

I have to make the rules structure ambiguous as possible to get it going and so that other do not think I am leaning to one side or the other. You guys however do not.....

So this is where I need strong voices....

This is what I currently have

General Guidelines

1) The CF Rules apply to articles and edits in the all Wikis.

2) Be courteous- This is to say that if you are editing or rewriting an article please always give the benefit of the doubt to the author and any other editors.

3) Be Loving and Respectful- Remember always the mission of the Wiki Project before you write. Wiki is to be used to offer information only, please treat it as such.

Turf Wars

Turf wars are ongoing battles over specific issues or articles.

To avoid turf wars, you should keep in mind General Guidelines 2 and 3. The point of the CF Wiki is not to advocate certain positions--it is to provide a reference for people.

Unfortunately, turf wars can and will break out over controversial issues. There are several ways these may be handled:

1) Staff may close articles to further editing--either for a short time or until a consensus can be reached on how to present the issue.

2) Polls may be used to further define a concensus on a controversial issue.

These are not the only ways problems with turf wars may be handled, but are only examples.

Conflict Resolution

People have disputes, especially about things as deeply personal as their faith. These disputes can be exacerbated by the anonymous nature of discussions on the internet.

If you find yourself in a dispute with another member, first take a big step back and consider Guidelines 2 and 3. Then, if after considering these, you find yourself still having a disagreement, approach the other Member privately and try to reach an understanding. Many times, a simple misunderstanding leads to great flames that could have been avoided if people had simply talked to each other.

Remember: Some disputes cannot be resolved and the CF Wiki will have articles that specifically deal with disputes.

Timeline Guidelines

If rules or guidelines are passed they should at least stand for a 3 month period of time before coming up for re-election. Example, if the CF Rules are passed, then they should be locked into place for at least 3 months before opening another discussion to either get rid of them all and start over or to make changes to the present rules.

and it is located here
http://www.christianforums.com/t5756679-wiki-wiki-rules-and-guidelines.html

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

 

[Hishandmaiden]

Bump.

 

[talitha]

Debi, I'm confused - why are you needing to not lean one way or another? Are you a plain-clothesed moderator? *grin* having trouble understanding what your role is??

blessings
tal

 

[Debi1967]

Debi, I'm confused - why are you needing to not lean one way or another? Are you a plain-clothesed moderator? *grin* having trouble understanding what your role is??

blessings
tal

In a way yes I moderate the Wikipedia section of the board as Wiki Editrix

 

[tapero]

Debi, I'm confused - why are you needing to not lean one way or another? Are you a plain-clothesed moderator? *grin* having trouble understanding what your role is??

blessings
tal

Hi, in the new Wiki forums such as General Wiki (where policy/rules/guidelines etc are determined for all of cf), and then in each Team Forum has their own Wiki's as pertains to forums in and concerning team; all members including staff participate, and there is no one in charge, no one owns a wiki, etc.

If there are rule vio's support team handles those if violation occurs in general wiki.

Only staff moderates all forums.

RaggedRobin may be referring to her work in CF Wiki, where I understand she's a great help there and has contributes and and helps much in General Wiki and as well probably many other places.

CF Wiki is unrelated to the new process of Wiki, as in regards to the above mentioned forums in my first paragraph.

CF Wiki is like an encylopedia type place I believe where people contribute to Wiki's about topics contained there or start new topics.

Hope that clarifies a little more of what CF is doing in regards to Wiki!

 

[Debi1967]

Hi, in the new Wiki forums such as General Wiki (where policy/rules/guidelines etc are determined for all of cf), and then in each Team Forum has their own Wiki's as pertains to forums in and concerning team; all members including staff participate, and there is no one in charge, no one owns a wiki, etc.

If there are rule vio's support team handles those if violation occurs in general wiki.

Only staff moderates all forums.

RaggedRobin may be referring to her work in CF Wiki, where I understand she's a great help there and has contributes and and helps much in General Wiki and as well probably many other places.

CF Wiki is unrelated to the new process of Wiki, as in regards to the above mentioned forums in my first paragraph.

CF Wiki is like an encylopedia type place I believe where people contribute to Wiki's about topics contained there or start new topics.

Hope that clarifies a little more of what CF is doing in regards to Wiki!

tapero I have Erwin's permission to self moderate my own forum and have done so now since the beginning, Staff work with me but I am the one that asks for RFE's, decides whether wikis need to be pulled because they violate copyright, and when and if it is needed that they are shut down to further edits.

 

[tapero]

tapero I have Erwin's permission to self moderate my own forum and have done so now since the beginning, Staff work with me but I am the one that asks for RFE's, decides whether wikis need to be pulled because they violate copyright, and when and if it is needed that they are shut down to further edits.

Hi, Do you send out pm's for rfe's? You have capabilities to close or delete a Wiki via moderator tools?

It's important that one not mislead what capabilities you have, as what ever is posted is what people believe.

Do you mean you let staff know if an RFE should be done, and request Staff to close, or delete, remove a Wiki?

I'm sure what you do is very important and extremely helpful to CF, helping to take the burden off staff, so please know I'm not discounting what you do in any way.

It's just very important to be accurate.

If you make requests of staff to close, delete, and send RFEs, then that is the accurate way to say it.

If what you post leads people to believe you have moderator capabilities (meaning on staff, under confidentiality, and have moderation tools, and an icon showing you are on staff, and any authority to pm, on what is or is not permitted via CF Rules, Protocol etc, able to ban, etc (all only available to staff)), then they are being mislead (not intentionally of course) and is not proper to do so.

Non Staff in no areas have any authority over what a member can or can not do. It may be that no one has discussed with you and explained such to you.

I coincidentally today, saw a post of yours in CF Wiki, saying no one edit this article again. While I'm not working in CF Wiki, I do not believe you have the authority to do so.

I'm just learning the Wiki process and have learned, it is a community driven process and not controlled by any one person. Erwin may intercede at any time of course but that is the only exception.

It is a wonderful process and interference with the process by exerting authority is not desired, at least with the new Wiki process.

If it comes known that such as above is occuring in CF Wiki (saying do not edit this article again), and enough people complain, then it may be that your help in keeping an eye on CF Wiki for Staff and Erwin might be ended. It may also be, that no one is allowed to edit an article.

If people are afraid to complain, then there is a problem. The fear would come from someone saying they hold authority, which they do not hold.

I'm not concerned with CF Wiki much, but am concerned of any public posts where you speak of capabilities, and authority, which you do not have, in regards to Wiki, as people will believe what you write and so that is important to me to clarify.

If need be, as we go along, that I (as a member, not a staffer) see the need to lead the discussion to revise any guidelines and rules for CF Wiki, to be sure members know that they can edit articles (if that's procedure there), then I will do that.

Of course, I would first ask you a ton of questions on what goes on in CF Wiki to see the needs and desires first.

As CF Wiki staff, again, my concern is not CF Wiki. But as a member reading what you posted today, troubles me very much. However, could be CF Wiki has guidelines I don't know about.

I can't even get in there at the moment, but to one page only, where earlier I was in the whole area. So, it's buggy, I guess.

Also, members now realizing about Wiki process may be registering at CF Wiki, not realizing they are in the wrong place. This is further cause for concern to me having seen your post saying no one edit this article again.

I will be in CF Wiki to keep an eye for those who are in the wrong place, as to direct them to General Wiki or Team Forums Wiki.

If you see such now, it would help if you would direct them to the Wiki: Specific to Wiki Guidelines and Rules which you helped in working on. That would be a big help. This gives a good overall of what the new Wiki process entails.

It would be best to always say, I am not on staff but oversee CF Wiki or whatever forums you oversee if not all in CF Wiki.

One reason (an important one) such is not proper is to say I am a moderator (when not on staff) is because when someone is on staff, we get pms from members who know what they say to us is confidential.

Even though you are moderating in the sense of watching and helping; by giving requests for Staff to do; you might need explain more what that entails as I'm explaining here.

The reason I posted is to be sure that readers know this is not on the topic of the new Wiki just added to CF, but pertains to CF Wiki, which is like an encyclopedia of information which members can post in as well as read.

It's very important that this differentiation is made, as, even on Wiki Staff I do not have say on whether to close a Wiki (the members do), or to remove a Wiki, (can't see where such need would arise) unless in the case of trolling then Support Team would handle as they are moderators in General Wiki.

My post here is out of order, as I added in here and there, but my last thought is, why don't you apply for Staff, since you've been working so hard all along helping and you see much of what occurs.

I would surely vote for you!

God bless,
tapero

 

[Debi1967]

Do you mean you let staff know if an RFE should be done, and request Staff to close, or delete, remove a Wiki?

I Send out the RFE's and I close the Wikis the only capability I do not have is to delete them and that I ask Higgs to do for me she is my liason on staff

 

[Debi1967]

CI Wikipedia RULES and GUIDELINES

General Guidelines

1) The CF Rules apply to articles and edits in the CF Wiki.

2) Be courteous- This is to say that if you are editing or rewriting an article please always give the benefit of the doubt to the author and any other editors.

3) Be Loving and Respectful- Remember always the mission of the Wiki Project before you write. Wiki is to be used to offer information only, it is encyclopedic in nature, please treat it as such.

Turf Wars

Turf wars are ongoing battles over specific issues or articles.

To avoid turf wars, you should keep in mind General Guidelines 2 and 3. The point of the CF Wiki is not to advocate certain positions--it is to provide a reference for people. Thus, if there is a controversy about a certain topic, you should strongly consider making sure all points of view regarding it are incorporated into articles to help the reader make up his or her mind about an issue.

Unfortunately, turf wars can and will break out over controversial issues. There are several ways these may be handled:

1) Editorial Staff may close articles to editing--either for a short time or until a consensus can be reached on how to present the issue.

2) Editorial Staff may reduce an article to "stub" status until a consensus can be reaced on how to present the issue.

These are not the only ways problems with turf wars may be handled, but are only examples.

Conflict Resolution

People have disputes, especially about things as deeply personal as their faith. This disputes can be exacerbated by the anonymous nature of discussions on the internet.

If you find yourself in a dispute with another member of the CF Wiki Team, first take a big step back and consider Guidelines 2 and 3. Then, if after considering these, you find yourself still having a disagreement, approach the other Wiki Team Member privately and try to reach an understanding. Many times, a simple misunderstanding leads to great flames that could have been avoided if people had simply talked to each other.

If you cannot reach a resolution of a dispute, please start a thread in the Wiki HQ briefly summarizing the dispute and providing a link to any articles that are relevant to the dispute. Please do not flame other CF Wiki Team members in these posts. The Editorial Staff and other members of the CF Wiki Team will try to help resolve disputes without having to resort to the exercise of power or discipline.

Remember: Some disputes cannot be resolved and the CF Wiki will have articles that specifically deal with disputes.

Power and Discipline
CaDan is the Big Kahuna of the CF Wiki Team. He is the only person who can add or remove people from the CF Wiki Team.

RaggedRobin is the Editrix (old feminine form of the word "Editor") of the CF Wiki. She is in charge of the day-to-day operation of the CF Wiki. Her assistants are Avatar and hungrytiger. While they do not have the ability to add or remove people from the team, CaDan generally goes along with their suggestions.

These are the sorts of things that will get you kicked off the CF Wiki Team:

1. Flaming other Team members in the HQ.
2. Repeatedly violating in-article and PM requests by the Editorial Staff that an article be edited or not be edited or modified.
3. Sass.

Conclusion

The CF Wiki is supposed to be a collaborative environment for creating a reference that can be used by the rest of CF's members as a resource for their posts in the rest of the forum. It is up to you to make this possible.

 

[tapero]

I Send out the RFE's and I close the Wikis the only capability I do not have is to delete them and that I ask Higgs to do for me she is my liason on staff

Hi, to all who read. I will get back to this but will be several days.

Thanks,
tapero

 

[Debi1967]

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[Debi1967]

My post here is out of order, as I added in here and there, but my last thought is, why don't you apply for Staff, since you've been working so hard all along helping and you see much of what occurs.

I would surely vote for you!

Sorry I did not answer this before
I cannot apply for staff at this time. I did apply but had to retract my application. I have decided to stay on as Wiki Editrix. As such I cannot hold that position and be a moderator at the same time, that too is part of our rules (if I had my stickies back in cf wiki I would be able to show you). Unfortunately in the turn over of 7 7 7 all my stickies went down to the wayside all got caught in the wayside of switching.

Also, members now realizing about Wiki process may be registering at CF Wiki, not realizing they are in the wrong place. This is further cause for concern to me having seen your post saying no one edit this article again.

Do you see my wiki tag next to my name? Then please hover over it and you will see my title ....

That is how we in wiki are given our titles . If you hover over CaDan's it will say Big Kahuna which is what Erwin named him. We have been working efficiently this way for well over a year.

Erwin gave the position to CaDan and wiki to CaDan to do with as he pleases, CaDan is also the other tech of this board that if something goes wrong with it he knows how to fix it other than Erwin. That btw is no secret.

CaDan and I have always answered directly to Erwin.

 

[Debi1967]

Please do not work in this are of the board right now

Please concentrate your efforts on working on the others wikis containing your much needed input in the Support sections espeially and your own Ecumenical forums. Also I encourage you to take part in other areas of the board to make a difference.

As we all have learned as a Team here, wiki can be used beneficially when used to provide concise and accurate information.

I know the board may seem a little confusing to some right now. I also know we are using a different wiki system now. I encourage all of you though that are experienced with the wiki process to please be helpful in whatever manner you can to others that are just using this for the first time.

s/RaggedRobin
Wiki Editrix

 

[tapero]

Please do not work in this are of the board right now

Please concentrate your efforts on working on the others wikis containing your much needed input in the Support sections espeially and your own Ecumenical forums. Also I encourage you to take part in other areas of the board to make a difference.

As we all have learned as a Team here, wiki can be used beneficially when used to provide concise and accurate information.

I know the board may seem a little confusing to some right now. I also know we are using a different wiki system now. I encourage all of you though that are experienced with the wiki process to please be helpful in whatever manner you can to others that are just using this for the first time.

s/RaggedRobin
Wiki Editrix

Ah, wish I could particpate more in new wiki process but mainly working keeps me out of helping in discussion/edit etc., unless I'm on a project.

I'm gonna try and find your stickies you had. I am not sure why they got moved, (maybe CF wiki was moved?) but they may be locatable.

if you can recall an exact title of one, would help much,.

All teams and many other stickies got moved in mass moves, but some have been found.

I'll check back later.

 

[Debi1967]

CF Wiki Rules-Please read carefully

with or without the CF in the beginning is what I think I titled that thread

 

[tapero]

On sticky's not good.

This came up in search:

Sticky: Wiki Procedural Questions last editd june 2007, 4 pages..

when hit links 2 given, does not bring to that sticky but only into cf wiki (cirrent) and above sticky not listed there, so won't be able to locate old stickies as somehow they were moved and what should occur is link should bring me in old cf to find, but is not occuring as link just brings to cf wiki, one and same page.

Sorry, wish I could find em and forward to you, but seems somehow not working. Is different tho for teams stickys and other stickys, they can be located.

 

[tapero]

CF Wiki Rules-Please read carefully

with or without the CF in the beginning is what I think I titled that thread

Found that one and sent you pm on it.

 

[tapero]

nope, boo boo, is same as current one..oye

will keep trying tho.

 

[talitha]

I must confess I don't understand this conversation.

I just wanted to post [somewhere] that it would be nice if your and CaDan's - erm - positions (?) would be more publically known, especially with the New Openness around here....... This is the first I've heard of CaDan's having any position other than when he was conciliator.

What I mean by "more publically known" is that there should be some kind of thing on your posts like tapero's "Wiki Catalogue Engineer" is on her posts. You could avoid a lot of hassle that way, IMHO......

blessings on you
tal

 

[Debi1967]

I must confess I don't understand this conversation.

I just wanted to post [somewhere] that it would be nice if your and CaDan's - erm - positions (?) would be more publically known, especially with the New Openness around here....... This is the first I've heard of CaDan's having any position other than when he was conciliator.

What I mean by "more publically known" is that there should be some kind of thing on your posts like tapero's "Wiki Catalogue Engineer" is on her posts. You could avoid a lot of hassle that way, IMHO......

blessings on you
tal

please hover over my wiki tag

Then hover over CaDan's wiki