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Galatea

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Take the word contempt as abhor and apply Daniel 12:2 to the way people will abhor at the men that transgressed against God at the time of the new
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I don't think we would be able to see the people in Hell. Heaven is about joy, love, and peace. I would not think that seeing people in Hell would be conducive to love, joy, and peace. It would engender sorrow. I think it is speaking about the contempt of God, not of people.
 
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Well, which is it? Hell? Hades? The Lake of Fire? Those who subscribe to Hell seem to lump anything in with "Hell" that they can, context allowing. Ask yourself, if Hell is real, why does your Bible say so little about the subject? Keep in mind that "Hell" was inserted into the text in place of other words which had more down-to-earth meanings. I read my KJV from one end to the other, and could not find enough support for the concept to put a foundation under the doctrine of Hell. Interestingly, I could not find a connection between Satan and Hell, even aside from the question of Hell's existence.

As for your statement that "Christ speaks more about Hell..." I found only that He spoke more about Gehenna, but the apostles later on hardly mentioned Hell.

I concluded that Hell is a later insertion into the text. This is supported by the Bibles almost complete silence on Hell in:

the creation account
the historical narratives
the Law given to Moses
the Psalms
the Proverbs
and on, and on.

I concluded that, rightly translated, understood, and explained, Hell is not to be found in the Bible, the KJV notwithstanding.
 
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Your right Christ spoke of Gehenna as a metaphor for Hell. Remember who He was speaking to. He was telling these people about Hell and giving them a description by what they knew.
Just as people today say "War is Hell", It can be like hell, terrible, scary, tormenting and many other things.

Hell is real. And it's spoke of many times throughout the scripture. If you have sin in your life. And you have not repented. Because of sin, that's where sinners go Hell. It's punishment for sinning directly against God. The more you sin, the more wrath you incur against you with God.

So denying it won't make it go away.
 
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Hell was not created for people. It was created for Satan and the fallen angels. People do not go to Hell for sinning. If that were the case, everyone would go to Hell. People only go to Hell for rejecting Christ. That is it, no other reason. I don't see Hell as punishment for sin, but as separation from God because people refuse to accept Him on His terms, through the sacrifice of Christ.
 
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I've been thinking about energy and God being Energy. I thought about what you say as negative energy- in physics, there is no negative energy, but the absence of energy, if that makes sense. The absence of energy would be like a black hole.
 
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What was Jesus really telling people when He warned of Gehenna? I maintain that He was contrasting two life choices:

1. Lose a body part, avoid the sin that body part might lead you to, and live a good life. Of course, it might be something besides a body part, such as lust, a love for strong drink, greed, etc .

2. Keep the body part (or tendency to evil), sin, commit crime, risk being judged by the Law and possibly being executed and having your body burned with the rubbish, and missing a decent burial. Eternal conscious torment was not mentioned...

I can't see any reason to insert "Hell" into what Jesus was saying, and anyway, Gehenna (for all of Der Alter's objections) was/is a place in the real world, while Hell is metaphysical.

Yes, Hell is mentioned in the Book, but there are many times it could have been mentioned and was not. Further, most (if not all) uses of the word "Hell" are mistranslations of other, less loaded, words. As for sin, God tells us in His Word that when you die, you are freed from sin (Romans 6:7).

Denying may not make it go away, but I just finished a 208-page survey of the use of Hell in the KJV, which proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that "Hell" is theological trickery.

If Hell is real, then Jesus' mission to save His people from their sins has failed. But Jesus does not fail.
 
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I've been thinking about energy and God being Energy. I thought about what you say as negative energy- in physics, there is no negative energy, but the absence of energy, if that makes sense. The absence of energy would be like a black hole.

Genesis 1:1 can be expanded like this: In the beginning [time] God [spirit] created [energy] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter].

There it is, all the building blocks of cosmology, physics and chemistry.
 
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sin is something that we do
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we all do it
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it is not what we are
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God loves the sinner
Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

(Psalm 5:5; Lev. 20:23; Prov. 6:16-19; Hos. 9:15)
 
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What do you think is happening at the end of Isaiah 66? Will the wicked in
the lake of fire forever be like a dump area in Edom as a warning to never
again disobey God Almighty? At the time of the new earth others have to go
view them.
I have to reread Isaiah to get the full context. In Heaven, no one wants to disobey God, there is no need for a warning of any kind.
 
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it's hard to be explained

the biblical "hell" is a spirit of deterioration, the "death" and the "hell" are the two main aspects of deterioration, actually the "hell" is the other "death" in a way similar to how the "beast" is the other(second) "devil", as well as to how there are "beast" and another(second) "beast"

the diseases/illnesses are a deterioration, the congenital defects are a deterioration, the mental disorders are a deterioration, the unfavorable aging is a deterioration, the harms/injuries/wounds are a deterioration, etc., but (the) unrighteousness/evilness is also a deterioration, including (the) haughtiness, avarice/rapacity, (the) bitter envy/jealousy, hatred, malice, aggression, etc.

there is also a place where all manifestations of the "darkness" will be cast and locked away without being able to get out of there till the end of the eternity - namely the so-called "lake of fire"

Blessings
 
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If you are speaking of the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, remember that Jesus was telling a story (fiction) using the religious concepts current in His day. He had bigger fish to fry than the state of the dead, and the parable is actually about the spiritual state/fate of the nation of Judah versus the spiritual state of the gentiles (nations). Rich man = Judah & Lazarus = nations.

Jonah certainly prayed from inside the fish, and it is recorded as "sheol" because Jonah thought he would die there. It was changed to "hell" because the translators could. But note that Jonah lived through "hell," so it wasn't really Hell, was it?
 
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What I mean is this, I believe in the Bible- that it is the inerrant word of God. I know that Hell was prepared for Satan and the Fallen Angels. I know that God does not desire ANY to perish II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance." And that human souls only go to Hell because of rejecting Christ- not for sin at all.

What my wonder is this: we have finite minds and limited understanding. I know the Bible refers to Hell as fire. But I have been wondering if Hell is more of a separation from everything and being condemned to nothingness, and perhaps it is described as fire because we can't comprehend what separation from God REALLY is. I've been thinking about God as THE ENERGY- the Sound, the Word, the Light, the I AM and what the I AM is. He is everything, so I am wondering if Hell is nothing- the absence of everything. I find this much more frightening than a literal fiery Hell- to be separated from Everything and into Nothing.
 
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