Hell poll

ChildByGrace · Dec 6, 2005

I believe that hell exists - it is the place where satan and all the other fallen angels 'live'. I believe that if you have not accepted Jesus as saviour by the time you die then you will go there as nothing sinful can enter Heaven. I believe that by virtue of the fact that you are not with God then that is what hell is - seperated from His presence but knowing that He is true and you cannot be with him.

If there is no hell there is no real reason to accept God now as we will get to Heaven anyway.

b*unique · Dec 6, 2005

of course there is -in this life,makes amazing change IMO

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK · Dec 6, 2005

I voted for eternal seperation, loneliness and distress. That seems to be what the Bible suggests it will be like.

A good book to read is Adrian Holloway's "The Shock of your life".

meebs · Dec 6, 2005

childbygrace and steve:

how can you have eternal seperation from a being who is supposedly "everywhere"?

meebs · Dec 6, 2005

b*unique said:
well you know God beter than most Christians I know then

really,I sorta agree with you here

i believe Jesus teachings,Gods law is purely for us,not or afterlife purposes,or for some petty marking of things we mess up

i was atheist,as atheist as you can be,till I was 21
then without any effort or search on my side-there was God in my life,and gosh I tried to dispute it for at least 10 years,gave up finaly some time ago..cant be done,cos if I am real,so is God

i am in agreement with you here,that the only salvation we need is here now,from our fear,the father of all evil

and that is where we are,lving in hell here now,till we get freed from fears
and Gods love replaces that..Jesus tought many practical things,deservesa new thread really..before Buttermilks wrath will descend on us for derailing

- i have so much to say (before my bad memory kicks in and wipes all the stuff i wanna say out - this happens a lot, people think im stumped, im not - i just forget what i wanna say)...

i will stop derailing now

meebs · Dec 6, 2005

starelda said:
erm, no not like limbo...if my idea about limbo is correct. Isn't limbo just nothing..no joy, no torment just blah?

oops i was saying two seperate things here.

Limbo i meant is that the temporay type place - its just blah, but im sure there is a meaning behind it (whoever invented the concept). the place you stay until god decides if you need heaven.

another weird option i thought (kind of joking) was a sort of reincarnation - a groundhog day scenerio, where you live your life (but not new life each time) again and again till you rectify mistakes... and reach...nirvan....i mean heaven

theFijian · Dec 6, 2005

ChildByGrace said:
If there is no hell there is no real reason to accept God now as we will get to Heaven anyway.

Quoted for truth. Universalism is illogical and nonsensical.

LiberatedChick · Dec 7, 2005

ChildByGrace said:
If there is no hell there is no real reason to accept God now as we will get to Heaven anyway.

Most Universalists don't believe everyone get's a free ticket to heaven you know. I think people still have to accept God and repent of their sins to get there...I just believe that eventually everyone will do this and that accepting/repenting is something that can happen once our earthly lives are over. I also don't think that there is no punishment at all but rather it's temporary.

Cleany · Dec 7, 2005

ChildByGrace said:
If there is no hell there is no real reason to accept God now as we will get to Heaven anyway.

so we only "accept jesus" to avoid eternal torture, is THAT christianity?

ChildByGrace · Dec 7, 2005

Cleany said:
so we only "accept jesus" to avoid eternal torture, is THAT christianity?

that wasn't what i was said. Accepting Christ brings with it the promise of eternal life but that is only part of it. We still need to live life for God.
However if we all get to go to heaven whether or not we believe in God or accept Him as saviour what is to stop us living lives solely for us now because we'll go to Heaven anyway

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK · Dec 7, 2005

jellybean said:
childbygrace and steve:

how can you have eternal seperation from a being who is supposedly "everywhere"?

I take that statement as being everywhere on Earth, within the universe and in heaven. I think Hell is a place outside the universe and cut off from Heaven, and is territory that God for some reason has given to the Devil.

So in short Hell is the only place where one is shut off from God. Sorry if this is confusing!

Cleany · Dec 8, 2005

ChildByGrace said:
that wasn't what i was said. Accepting Christ brings with it the promise of eternal life but that is only part of it. We still need to live life for God.
However if we all get to go to heaven whether or not we believe in God or accept Him as saviour what is to stop us living lives solely for us now because we'll go to Heaven anyway

plenty of non-christian people live lives far more worthy of many christians - without any sort of belief in the afterlife.

what you are saying "uses" christianity as a bargaining tool to persuade people to behave. it is a very simplistic and incorrect way of looking at things.

jesus came to earth to bring the kindgom of god with him and through us, to bring heaven to earth, not to highlight a few people for "salvation".

meebs · Dec 8, 2005

Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK said:
I take that statement as being everywhere on Earth, within the universe and in heaven. I think Hell is a place outside the universe and cut off from Heaven, and is territory that God for some reason has given to the Devil.

So in short Hell is the only place where one is shut off from God. Sorry if this is confusing!

ah i see...so your god finds it to be impossible to be everywhere? how can god give the devil a home and then torture him in it? (im confusing people now).

a god that is litterally everywhere cannot shut itself off from everything in my POV...

nah its not confusing

theFijian · Dec 8, 2005

jellybean said:
ah i see...so your god finds it to be impossible to be everywhere? how can god give the devil a home and then torture him in it? (im confusing people now).

a god that is litterally everywhere cannot shut itself off from everything in my POV...

nah its not confusing

See my earlier post. Hell is not the absence of God, it is the absence of his love and favour.

ChildByGrace · Dec 8, 2005

Cleany said:
plenty of non-christian people live lives far more worthy of many christians - without any sort of belief in the afterlife.

what you are saying "uses" christianity as a bargaining tool to persuade people to behave. it is a very simplistic and incorrect way of looking at things.

jesus came to earth to bring the kindgom of god with him and through us, to bring heaven to earth, not to highlight a few people for "salvation".

you can be as good as you want on this earth but without faith in Christ your life after death will not be with God

No - it's a benefit of it.

see John 3:16, For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

Cleany · Dec 8, 2005

ChildByGrace said:
you can be as good as you want on this earth but without faith in Christ your life after death will not be with God

how do you KNOW that is true?

how do you KNOW what happens in the afterlife?

how do you KNOW what "faith in christ" actually means?

personally i dont KNOW for sure any of these things, i have been a christian for 10 years and i am still learning what "faith in christ" is all about - as for the afterlife, ill just have to wait i suppose. i certainly wouldnt tell a "non-believer" that he is going "to hell" unless he "accepts christ".

in my opinion what you said is a theory that tries to grab at a truth that cannot be known, and that combats a "doctrine of works".

such extremism isnt necessary!

ChildByGrace · Dec 8, 2005

you are right - you cannot know about these things completely. i am just going one what i believe the bible says about the matter. at the end of the day i want to live my life such that it is honouring to God - if i die and there is nothing there then i have not lost out. if i die and everyone goes to heaven then i am not going to pout about it as i would much rather everyone on this earth live with God in glory.

meebs · Dec 8, 2005

theFijian said:
See my earlier post. Hell is not the absence of God, it is the absence of his love and favour.

i was addressing steve

i would like to ask though. how do you feeling about this? would you say that god is entirely loving then, knowing that is is watching and aware of this suffering he imposed?

theFijian · Dec 8, 2005

jellybean said:
i was addressing steve

Oops sorry, quoted your post by mistake

jellybean said:
i would like to ask though. how do you feeling about this? would you say that god is entirely loving then, knowing that is is watching and aware of this suffering he imposed?

It is not imposed by God, we have been given the ability to act volitionally.

meebs · Dec 8, 2005

theFijian said:
Oops sorry, quoted your post by mistake

we all do this time to time

It is not imposed by God, we have been given the ability to act volitionally.

i had to look that word up!

to act willingly? how can we have the will to do something, if god in the end chooses our fate? (hypothetically - before i confuse people again) i say this because your calvanist.

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What do you believe hell is?

Eternal physical torment

Eternal seperation/loneliness/mental distress

Annihilation

As a place of correction - universalism

Other (please explain)

There is no such place at all.

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