Hebrews 4:10,11

[Symes]

"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience"

What do you see this text's meaning as?

 

[Andre]

It means that when we die we will rest from our works just like God rested from His works on the seventh day after creation, He rested from it forever, He didn't start creation again on the eight day. So will we rest from our works forever in the presence of God. Unbelief is the only thing that can keep us from entering into that rest.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience"

What do you see this text's meaning as?

Their sin (disobedience) was continued unbelief even after seeing 40 years of miracles in the wilderness:

Heb 3:12-19
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
...
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:6-11
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
...
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

When you obey you are entering spiritual rest (peace). When you sin you have no true peace and thus, are not in the rest of God.

 

[Symes]

Their sin (disobedience) was continued unbelief even after seeing 40 years of miracles in the wilderness:

They wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. We have been here now for nearly 2,000 years since Jesus went back to heaven. Why has there been such a delay? Why doesn't Jesus come Back?

Is it because of the unbelief (sin) of the Christian Church that is stopping the return of Jesus?

Our friend says here is was sin that stopped the Children of Israel from going into the Promised Land.

 

[Andre]

They wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. We have been here now for nearly 2,000 years since Jesus went back to heaven. Why has there been such a delay? Why doesn't Jesus come Back?

Is it because of the unbelief (sin) of the Christian Church that is stopping the return of Jesus?

Our friend says here is was sin that stopped the Children of Israel from going into the Promised Land.

That's not the reason Christ hasn't come, it's because there are many that are still going to be saved and God is longsuffering waiting for the number of the saints to be complete, now, if the Church was doing the work of spreading the Gospel as it should He would have returned already.

The Isrealites didn't enter into God's promissed land because they had no faith, they saw miracles and wonders for 40 years and yet they didn't believe God would deliver them the promissed land, they were afraid of the giants in the land and would not trust God, the same way with us, God is revealing itself to all, but because of unbelief most will reject God's promisse of salvation and won't enter into His rest, wich is the Sabbath all Christians are waiting for.

 

[Symes]

wich is the Sabbath all Christians are waiting for

You can enter into the Sabbath rest now. No need for waiting. It is there for the taking, come on in. Don't delay. He who hesitates is lost.

 

[FreeinChrist]

No. There is a future rest - the Millennial reign of Christ.

Hbr 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.Hbr 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.Hbr 4:10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.Hbr 4:11 Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through {following} the same example of disobedience.
Hebrews was probably written about 66 - 67 AD. There were Chrisitans then who were looking forward to a 'Sabbath Rest'. We are no different.

 

[Symes]

No. There is a future rest - the Millennial reign of Christ.

Paul is telling the Hebrews that they can find that rest (Sabbath) right then and there not years into the future.

"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience"

 

[Andre]

Paul is telling the Hebrews that they can find that rest (Sabbath) right then and there not years into the future.

Yep, and that rest is the life under grace and not under the Law that we now have in Christ.
It's much more than a mere day of the week, the day was just a shadow, too bad you can't see this and enter into this wonderfull rest we are living in.


Colossians 2
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Don't delay. He who hesitates is lost.

Then by your own words salvation comes from works, this is cultic false doctrine.

Philipians 3
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,
4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee;
6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death;
11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

The Law does not make anyone righteouss, you can keep as many Sabbaths ans you want, that won't add a penny to your righteousness, It's counted all loss compared to the righteousness that we attain through faith in Jesus alone.


Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Symes]

Then by your own words salvation comes from works, this is cultic false doctrine.

What a statement, where do you get that idea from?

 

[Andre]

What a statement, where do you get that idea from?

You can enter into the Sabbath rest now. No need for waiting. It is there for the taking, come on in. Don't delay. He who hesitates is lost.

You are saying that if we don't keep the Sabbath we are lost. That's salvation thru works, it means that we must do something in order to be saved.

 

[Symes]

You are saying that if we don't keep the Sabbath we are lost. That's salvation thru works, it means that we must do something in order to be saved.

Never, Never, Never

You do not kill so does that mean it is Salvation by Works?

Come on Andre, no more pulling my leg. When you drive down the highway and you keep to the speed limit, is that Salvation by Works.

Just say you get booked for speeding does that mean then that you will want to go out and break the law?

Let's say the policeman is feeling generous and lets you go without a speeding ticket. You are under grace. Do you still want to break the law or would you obey because he did not give you a ticket.?

 

[Andre]

Never, Never, Never

You do not kill so does that mean it is Salvation by Works?

Come on Andre, no more pulling my leg. When you drive down the highway and you keep to the speed limit, is that Salvation by Works.

No, it's not salvation by works, I never said that if you don't keep the speed limit you lose your salvation, you are the one who said "he who hesitates is lost".

Just say you get booked for speeding does that mean then that you will want to go out and break the law?

Let's say the policeman is feeling generous and lets you go without a speeding ticket. You are under grace. Do you still want to break the law or would you obey because he did not give you a ticket.?

This is the thing, God took all my speeding tickets, the ones I already had and the one I will eventually get, and He burned them all when I recognized that I had speeding tickets and that I would never be able to keep the speeding limit, and that Jesus died on that cross to pay for them. Does that mean I want to go down speeding, no, but if I fail and speed it's already taken care of.


Psalm 103
11
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him.
12
As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13
Just as a father has compassion on his children,
So the LORD has compassion on those who fear Him.

(Did you notice that if you north, eventually you'll reach a pole and you'll start going south, but if you travel east, you can go around the Earth 1000 times and you'll still be going east, it's all paid for)

Hebrews 8
12
" FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES,
AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."



I want to keep the Law because I love God and I fear doing something that is not pleasing to Him, that's the motive why we should live a godly life, and not fear of losing your salvation.

 

[Symes]

I want to keep the Law because I love God and I fear doing something that is not pleasing to Him, that's the motive why we should live a godly life, and not fear of losing your salvation.

Because of that I want to keep the whole law and not just 9/10 th's of it.

 

[Andre]

Because of that I want to keep the whole law and not just 9/10 th's of it.

The whole Law is not limited to the Ten Comandments and there are representations of thing that were to come in the Law, those we are not required to follow because we now have the real thing, those things are foods, drinks, festivals or new moons, Sabbaths, and animal sacrifices.

You have a plastic car with pedals that you "drive" around everywhere, when you're 16 your dad hands you the key of a real car he bought for you, you just walk right past it, sticks the key in your plastic car and keeps driving it around...

 

[his excellence]

I take it to mean that God's Rest is his holy place, a place where we can be shielded from the very things that cause us to slip and disobey. A place where we can be in union with Him through Trust and Faith, and to receive instruction and correction.

 

[Andre]

I take it to mean that God's Rest is his holy place, a place where we can be shielded from the very things that cause us to slip and disobey. A place where we can be in union with Him through Trust and Faith, and to receive instruction and correction.

 

[Symes]

The whole Law is not limited to the Ten Comandments

Well if we just start there we will see that most people only want to keep 9/10 th's of the commandments. Why not decide to do away with the 7 th commandment? Do you think it is more important than the 4 th?

 

[Andre]

Well if we just start there we will see that most people only want to keep 9/10 th's of the commandments. Why not decide to do away with the 7 th commandment? Do you think it is more important than the 4 th?

Because the Bible doesn't say that the 7th commandment was a shadow of things to come.