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Discussion Hebrew Roots; error or something else?

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Torah? does the church have to keep feasts and the food law as the torah commanded? Do Christian families have to circumcise their boys on the 8th day as the torah commanded?
 
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please tell me why it matters what language Jesus spoke? It doesn't really matter. At Pentecost, they heard the Spirit in gentile tongues. No?
 
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red above, well, gee, was he supposed to speak German to Mary? What is the difference anyway?
 
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red above, then why does it matter about the Hebrew?
 
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red above, then why does it matter about the Hebrew?
The kids had to learn the Torah in Hebrew. It's just nonsense to think He had a Greek Name originally. It doesn't matter if one says Yeshua and the other Jesus but don't turn it around.
 
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the name Yeshua means "salvation" or "God saves." His name signifies why He came into this world—to rescue us from the penalty we deserve because of our sins. Let's take a look at a few times Yeshua's name is mentioned in the Old Testament (with emphasis added):
  • The Lord is my strength and song, and He has become my salvation" (Ex. 15:2). In other words, "He has become my Yeshua."
  • "God be merciful to us and bless us, and cause His face to shine upon us, that Your way may be known on earth, Your salvation [Yeshua] among all nations" (Ps. 67:1-2).
  • "And it will be said ... 'Behold, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us. We will be glad and rejoice in His salvation [Yeshua]' " (Is. 25:9)
http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/bible-study/15023-finding-jesus-in-the-old-testament
 
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Sorry guys, I just don't have time to address every question. So, I chose not those I think are easy, I have nothing to hide. But when folks seem combative, I just ignore the posts and read those that, even if we don't agree, isn't so polarizing. As far as foods go... God called some things food and some things He did not call food. When it comes to 1 Tim 4 and verses like this:

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The "word of God" AT THAT TIME, was not the NT. The NT was not compiled and canonized until roughly 200AD. The reference to things being "sancitifed by the word of God" is a reference to the Torah and Prophets, which WAS considered the "Word of God" at that time. So this verse, which is often used to try to prove anything can be eaten, is speaking about FOOD (pork was never called food) and is directly referencing the "bible" in that day as that which sanctified those things which should be received as food. So, I don't eat pork. If you all do, that is fine... it is between you and God, not you and I. I will continue to do what I do and I pray you do as you are being convicted of... whatever that happens to be.
 
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The kids had to learn the Torah in Hebrew. It's just nonsense to think He had a Greek Name originally. It doesn't matter if one says Yeshua and the other Jesus but don't turn it around.
what does it matter? of course the torah was in hebrew, are we to think it was in Korean?

but the point is, that certain movements will promote anything that advances judaism, even language, but it does not matter.

when Jesus talks to you, what language is it in?
 
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but when Paul wrote 1 Tim 4, it was about the future, "latter times", a time after the OT was written.


4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

And he said the Spirit says,. so Paul was speaking by the Spirit, and that was the word of God. Paul was writing the word of God, Peter said so in 2 Peter 3.


So his word, the rhema word, the word by the Spirit sanctified the food.That word came after the Torah, about a time after the OT.

There ya go....
 
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expanding revelation, just like here..

Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
 
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My reason for not answering falls in line with what Ken said. I have nothing to hide, it's been open for years that my eating habits do not include pork or shellfish, etc.. However, the asker of the question is being combative, and rude. I was not pushing a "food" issue and had made it clear that I did not want to argue about it yet the asker (yes I know it's a made up word) kept pushing and in my opinion was just trying to pick a fight. It is my choice to not participate in any question I choose.
 
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There are also movements that can't even admit His Name is Yeshua originally. I don't think He cares how we call Him, some Eskimo's called Him Jesuisi. It's important though if you want to win Jews.
 
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2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
 
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The kids had to learn the Torah in Hebrew.

Children learn their parent's native tongue and then learn other languages that they are taught. Since the native language of the Hebrew people in Judea at the time of Christ was Aramaic the children would learn Aramaic from their infancy and may have learned Hebrew when they were ready for schooling in the synagogue's school.
It's just nonsense to think He had a Greek Name originally.

Nobody knows what his name was in any language other than Greek because the only record from that time of his name is in Greek. People speculate that is name was Joshua and that may well be correct but the facts are that the inspired record of the Lord's name is that it is Jesus.
It doesn't matter if one says Yeshua and the other Jesus but don't turn it around.

The name we received in the inspired holy scriptures is Jesus not Joshua.
 
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Ooops, a duplicate. Ah well.

Yeshua is LORD. If I want to call Him Yeshua, I will call Him Yeshua.
 
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The reason I have not bothered to even read your posts is because you don't seem like one seeking a conversation, but rather, as one who is seeking to make all conform to you. As for your comment, while the beginning of the chapter is speaking about things that will happen beyond the point in time from where they currently stood, you do not see that as the case throughout the context of the point being discussed. For example, "For it IS sanctified by the word of God and prayer" is not future tense, it is present... which is why I made sure to point out that there was no NT at that time. So you have the Spirit revealing things to come and then we have starting in verse 4, a return to the present. This is simple grammar.

I can't promise I will read your reply, again, when folks get combative and seek to cause strife, I tune out, just being honest. But whoever is being spoken of in the first 3 verses is doing a few things here and if it can be done like a brother, I wouldn't mind hearing your view here. They are forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving. If we take the time to understand how marriage was ordained before this time, and what happened to the institution after that time... and consider decrees made post 1 Timothy that involved food (yes, man had to pass decrees to change their practices... you might start with the council of Elvira) we can see which aspect of Christianity had a hand in altering many things back in that day, causing us to be born into an altered paradigm.
 
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The question was not addressed to you or in reply to any of your posts. No reply from you was expected.

Um, I was using that post to make the point that posts of mine, according to the alert status thingy, had been quoted far more times than I replied to, and wanted to make clear why. We should be able to have civil adult conversations. We all identify with Yeshua/Jesus and in most cases, that makes us kin. (Not all who say "Lord Lord" are his) Since God Himself said He "HATES" when brethren cause strife with other brethren (Pro. 6:16-19) then it must be Him in me, because when a "brother" gets combative, I just tune out and want nothing to do with the situation.
 
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There are also movements that can't even admit His Name is Yeshua originally. I don't think He cares how we call Him, some Eskimo's called Him Jesuisi. It's important though if you want to win Jews.

God seeks a pure heart, NOT perfect linguistic skills! Isaiah 28:11 prophesies about a time when God will speak to His people in another tongue, another language (s). The language doesn't matter, the heart does. I just personally choose to call Him by the name He would have heard from His mother and I do so because of the meaning of the name and out of respect and love for Him. And I will add for the naysayers.... unless one was born speaking a Semitic language they (which includes me) have pretty much ZERO chance of pronouncing Yeshua correctly, anyway. His name ends with the letter ayin, which is a letter that carries a sound known as a glottal stop, which again, unless one was raised speaking a Semitic language, is near impossible to pull off. This isn't about a language, this isn't about who can speak Hebrew or say His name correctly. It is understanding that within the NT there are A. a ridiculous amount of OT quotations, far more than most Christian realize B. that there are certain Hebraic nuances, idioms, and rules of exegesis present in the NT that we are not taught to even recognize, let alone apply. And so when the context of those OT passages is factored in AND when those nuances, idiomatic phrases, and rules of interpretation being used heavily by somebody like Paul are considered... the context changes in many things.

What would have been nice here is if some who were unfamiliar with these things simply asked for some examples so they could go weigh it out and pray about it. Instead, they spent their time trying to prove something they don't even understand, wrong. And yes, they don't understand... if they had they would have known this wasn't about speaking Hebrew and how one might or might not say Messiah's name!
 
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