heaven v. paradise

[muffler dragon]

I've been reading Jesus the Jewish Theologian. Great book, I might add. I'll probably be posting from time to time regarding things I read in it. This is one that comes to mind now, and I wanted to know if you (all) had any more insight for me.

I shall peruse the book and try to find the actual passage some time, but in it, the author makes the statement that there is a difference between paradise and heaven with regard to the thief on the cross. He states that paradise is the same thing as resting in the 'bosom of Abraham'.

Would you (all) mind walking me through, Scripturally, this consideration? How it compares/contrasts to heaven and what happens when we die, especially now, after the death and resurrection of Christ?

Thanks for all your future assistance.

 

[Flavius]

I kinda agree with Josephus flavius on the matter.
I don't think anybody is in heaven or hell yet.But that those waiting for hell are at the entrance seeing their fate and the fate of those that wait in the bussom for the final outcome.One day all will be resurected,some with decaying bodies that will return to hell and others reurected into new bodies that will procede at their resurection and still others that will return to the bussom.

In Revelations there is clearly divisions.There are people still alive but not killed with the wicked.They aren't allowed access into the city but the leaves of the trees are for their healing.

 

[muffler dragon]

No offense to Flavius, because I truly enjoyed his considerations on this, but I must ask someone to tell me a little bit more about this. Or at least point me in the direction that I can get a better understanding.

I will not let it slip to page 2 without something that I can utilize. Call me stubborn.

 

[TheScottsMen]

I've been reading Jesus the Jewish Theologian. Great book, I might add. I'll probably be posting from time to time regarding things I read in it. This is one that comes to mind now, and I wanted to know if you (all) had any more insight for me.

I shall peruse the book and try to find the actual passage some time, but in it, the author makes the statement that there is a difference between paradise and heaven with regard to the thief on the cross. He states that paradise is the same thing as resting in the 'bosom of Abraham'.

Would you (all) mind walking me through, Scripturally, this consideration? How it compares/contrasts to heaven and what happens when we die, especially now, after the death and resurrection of Christ?

Thanks for all your future assistance.

Hey, i'm reading that book also! haha What do you think of it so far? I liked the bit on the pharisees, old wine & new wine, and the transfig.

 

[Henaynei]

sorry to say, it is not something to which I've given a lot of thought........

 

[visionary]

I would call our new heaven and earth (garden of eden) paradise, while the (City of God) while it is in heaven and then later on earth heavenly. The difference is in the communion, one with nature and the other with God.

 

[mythbuster]

No offense to Flavius, because I truly enjoyed his considerations on this, but I must ask someone to tell me a little bit more about this. Or at least point me in the direction that I can get a better understanding.

I will not let it slip to page 2 without something that I can utilize. Call me stubborn.

M.

Remain stubborn, questions are good.

Because of the prevailing teaching and desire that at death christians go to "heaven," I think there is much confusion on this matter. Because of this teaching, it is thought that when the Lord died He too went to "heaven." But this is not the case.

When the Lord rebuked the evil miracle, sign seeking religionists, He said that the only sign they will be given will be the sign of Jonah. The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three day and three nights. (Matthew 12:40) Also in Acts, Luke writes that the Lord will not be abandoned in Hades. (Acts 2:21)

When the Lord was on the cross He said that "today you shall be with me in paradise."

So where is paradise? You decide.

Also on the day of His resurrection, the Lord appeared to Mary and said that He had not ascended to the Father yet. So if the Father is in Heaven and He has not been there yet, where was he?

Finally there is a description of life after death in Luke 16:22, this account is not a parable and describes Hades as a place with two sections. The pleasant part is paradise, aka Abraham's bosom.


peace.

no spell check sorry

 

[muffler dragon]

No need for a spell check.

Very concise and well thought out post.

I thank you. It definitely helps.

 

[visionary]

When the Lord was on the cross He said that "today you shall be with me in paradise."

Maybe the sentence should have a comma moved to a better position which will give it clearer understanding,
From Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise
To Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise

As to the difference between paradise and heaven

Revelation 2
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

paradise translated from greek meaning place of future happiness, park, garden.
heaven translated from hebrew meaning where celestial bodies dwell. the sky and invisible arch where clouds move, the abode of God