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It's difficult to get your point of vieuw of hell as true. It might be so but it might be not. Actually I can't imagin it at all cause I can't imagin the loving God let creatures in torture for eternity. I rather want to believe that a soul just is burnd and exist no more. What part of our contiosness the soul is I don't know. It must be us in the core but I still wonder what that core is appart from all that we get in a lifetime on earth. So I am not sure of this also. Maybe you want to share how you get to your belief of what hell is?
 
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I get my beliefs on Hell, and the reality that it both exists and is, from scripture.

And "all my other beliefs" from scripture as well, along with some measure of help from the Spirit or Holy Spirit as well...

God Bless!
 
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(1) I have trouble following your thought, but here are a few observations and questions.

(2) What "revelations" have you received? That is, do these thoughts come to you directly or through people or through the Bible or what?

(3) I too believe in God's predestination of believers based on Romans 8 and Ephesians 1.

(4) According to Ephesians 2:1-3, we are all born dead to God. As a result, we're all on our way to hell, that is, eternal separation from God, who did not make us that way. We fell with Adam and Eve.

(5) That destination is because we all inherit Adam and Eve's fallen nature because all of humanity is fallen and lost.

(6) For some unknown reason, God chooses to rescue some of us unworthy humans and resurrect us through the new birth (Ephesians 2:4-9) by grace resulting in his free gift of faith.

(7) As you say, we can know that God has rescued and is restoring us because he enables us to seek him with our whole lives (Ephesians 2:10).

(8) The Scriptures give us two sides of a deep mystery: God's complete plan for his whole creation and church and all humans' full responsibility to believe in and seek him. How they work together is a mystery. As Paul says in Romans 1:16-18, we who reject him as our Creator are without excuse if we remain rebellious.

(9) My advice to you is to immerse yourself in the teachings and history of the Bible, God's Word, and to avoid relying on your reasoning, which is flawed like that of all people's.
 
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I can't address all of these right now, cause I'm tired and haven't got any sleep yet and probably need to get some sleep, and there is a lot to address, so...

But, let me just say for now that while I 100% fully believe that God the Father is the One, and maybe only One, who has "always been 100% totally and truly fully omniscient and all knowing (One) from before the beginning always fully", etc, and while I believe that, etc, I do not think I fully agree with all the tenants or doctrines or philosophies and or ideas of Calvinism fully, and maybe not hardly at all fully, etc, though I fully believe in all the destination and determinism and God's predeterminism belonging to an always from before the beginning always all-knowing and 100% truly and fully omniscient God, etc.

As for the rest, I will try to get back to it another time, K? But I am already finding "a lot of problems with it", etc, OK?

God Bless!
 
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No offense @Neogaia777 but this kinda sounds like puffed up visions spoken of in Colossians 2:18. I'm not sure I can ascribe to your notion of what Hell/Heaven is, since it seems to be unsupported by the Bible. No offense.

God bless!
 
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No offense @Neogaia777 but this kinda sounds like puffed up visions spoken of in Colossians 2:18. I'm not sure I can ascribe to your notion of what Hell/Heaven is, since it seems to be unsupported by the Bible. No offense.

God bless!
Your entitled to your own beliefs I guess... But I just feel if people could really truly "get" or "hold" or "fully hold onto and grasp" this, it could very, very much change their whole entire life, for some of them, etc, and their personal relationship with God, etc... I really feel like some of my ideas, not to brag or anything, could really kind of "revolutionize" a lot of things, etc... change the face of God and of Christianity, etc, draw more people into Christianity from all kinds of places they never came into Christianity from before, etc...

Anyway, but I guess it's not everybody's "cup of tea", so to speak, I guess...

God Bless!
 
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I really feel like some of my ideas, not to brag or anything, could really kind of "revolutionize" a lot of things, etc... change the face of God and of Christianity, etc,

Again, I dont think you realize how grandiose that all sounds lol
 
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No offense @Neogaia777 but this kinda sounds like puffed up visions spoken of in Colossians 2:18. I'm not sure I can ascribe to your notion of what Hell/Heaven is, since it seems to be unsupported by the Bible. No offense.

God bless!
Oh and also, this is not about ego at all, no ego's involved here, as I know I am not my own, and I do not belong to me in any way whatsoever, but only to Him, etc... I do not have own personal or hidden agenda that is only just only mine or mine alone, but is all really just "His" and His alone, etc... And I know you guys may sometimes find it hard to believe that/this, but it is nonetheless true...

Anyway, and "these" are just some of the kinds of things He's been showing me, take it for whatever you will, etc...

I wish I could "connect" it all for you, instead of it all in being short hard to put together (and get) little pieces at a time, etc, that I know most of you only get a few of at a time, or at "any time" at all ever, etc, I'm not so egotistical that I think all of you guys are just waiting to read and follow every single one of my posts, or are just desperately hanging by a thread onto all of my words, or my every word, etc, I know it doesn't happen anything at all like that most usually, etc...

But sometimes I wish it would or could, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Again, I dont think you realize how grandiose that all sounds lol
I know, but you've got to have a dream right...?

And why can it not be that kind of dream...? It would not be for myself, but only for others, etc...

If I just wanted it for myself, I would just keep it to myself, for only myself, etc, and while you may not believe this either, I actually take quite a big risk to myself even sharing it, or for even daring to share it, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Dear Magiani: All four hells are expressed in Scripture. None of them are everlasting and certainly not eternal. The Father of all fathers does NOT torture ! ! !

What He does is change and transform the good, the bad & the ugly.

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of heaven, earth, & underworld in antiphonal worship.
 
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I would have to disagree with this.. The works of his that are now part of the canon... were inspired by God. How much more "informed" would you like him to be?
I don't know who canonized them. What part of scripture documents that process?
Do you have any names of those people? What were their backgrounds?
I know a lot of buildings that were inspired by God. And some statues.
And a fair amount of music. And some careers.
 
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Sky, your avatar states "non Denomination". Does this mean that you hold to the gospel, consider yourself a Christian.. or hold to some other view..

I have never had productive arguments with people who trust parts of the scripture to be solid truth.. while they question the concepts of others. I hold to the canon to be God breathed... I believe that men who had God's will behind them... have researched and indicated that these are the true words of God... I do believe that there may even be others but what we have in the Holy Bible, can be held as solid God Breathed scripture...
 
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After you answer my questions, perhaps. I find some people to be dogmatic and they don't do well with two way conversations.
 
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After you answer my questions, perhaps. I find some people to be dogmatic and they don't do well with two way conversations.
Well, if you don't know how the canon became the canon.. it is too much for me to type in a post..
Better if you look into it for yourself.
It is probably an entire course of study at a bible college or university.
 
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Well, if you don't know how the canon became the canon.. it is too much for me to type in a post..Better if you look into it for yourself. It is probably an entire course of study at a bible college or university.

I also find that people avoid answering questions that make them uncomfortable.
So perhaps this is the problem you are having.
 
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I also find that people avoid answering questions that make them uncomfortable.
So perhaps this is the problem you are having.
Nice try. But accusing me of being uncomfortable is not going to change my post.

The history of the canon doesn't make me "uncomfortable". Why would it.

I'm not here to do your work for you.
 
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There're many places in the Bible where people are given choices and held accountable if they make the wrong one. If we don't have free will, how can we be held accountable for anything? If we aren't, why did Jesus die for our sin?
 
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We are slaves to sin doesn't mean we don't have free will, but because of our sinful nature we keep making bad choices, even though we know it's wrong. I agree with everything else you wrote.
 
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Nice try. But accusing me of being uncomfortable is not going to change my post.
The history of the canon doesn't make me "uncomfortable". Why would it.
I'm not here to do your work for you.

You said you had trouble communicating with people.
It might not be their fault.
 
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