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I'm sure that SoF isn't using "heathen" solely to refer to pagans. He probably means everyone other than Real True Christians[sup]TM[/sup]: Atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, Muslims, Taoists, non-Nicene Christians, liberal Christians....
Basically anyone who disagrees with him.
Yeah, believers in Norse Reconstructionism and Asatru ( both slightly different) often prefer Heathen to describe their paths. It means "of the heath or the earth".
The O.P. obviously.
The Christian God in my opinion is a reflection of society at large..In Human Society there's people who love others and reach out to help people, there's people who are sort of apethetic and don't really care about others, and there's people who actively seek to harm anyone different from them and who feel alot of hatered and anger. And some people manifest a combination of these emtions and actions in their lifetime. The Christian God, in my view, is a mixture of all of these when you look at the conflicting bible passages, because some scripture says he's loving while other's says he's vengeful, and lots of stuff in between.
GrayCat, howdy.
There is no 'Human Society', 'Combinations', or conflicting Bible passages. There is one thing, one and only one thing that makes Christianity. Jesus Christ and Him crucified and risen from the dead!
God is very loving. He also is the One who chose who would become born again. It is holy and deep. Something that you need to study to understand fully.
However, like I said before, if you are not a Christian you will never fully understand it.
How about you run for CF President? lol.[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineS...omans+9§ion=0&version=nkj&language=en#F27 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? --Romans 9[/FONT]
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Ok, this is the most controversial passage of Scripture in the Bible. I can only hope you understand why. If you don't; here is the reason.
1. God is saying that He hates someone.
2. God is saying that he will have Mercy on whom He wants, and others He will harden.
3. Some vessels were prepared for Destruction! Some were prepared for Mercy!
Now, all of you who are not "Calvinists" are going to lose your minds a bit here in this passage. It will come in three phases.
First: you will struggle to understand it.
Second: you will begin to understand it.
Third: RAGE!!!
This is understandable. It is hard to swallow that GOD would harden someones heart. It is hard to understand that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. It is hard to understand that GOD would raise Pharaoh up just so He could lay the Smack Down upon him and show forth His power!!!
The hardest thing to swallow in this passage of Scripture is this here:
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This is all very HARD to swallow. This is all very HARD to think on. However, I believe it is necessary for us to learn the Word of God and understand it thoroughly.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This is the very heart of Ethics and Morality. Because now you are forced to make a judgment call.
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]IS GOD RIGHT OR WRONG IN DOING WHAT HE DOES?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Of course the answer is: HE IS RIGHT!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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1. God is saying that He hates someone.
2. God is saying that he will have Mercy on whom He wants, and others He will harden.
3. Some vessels were prepared for Destruction! Some were prepared for Mercy!
Now, all of you who are not "Calvinists" are going to lose your minds a bit here in this passage. It will come in three phases.
*yawns* May the lightning of Thor strike the fool down.
*yawns* May the lightning of Thor strike the fool down.
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