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brotherjim

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"Familial Headship." What an interesting subject that might be, I thought, were it not so sad. Just as man has degraded every original intention of the Creator, so too do his perversions . . ..

"Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he shall not depart."

How can a holy scripture make me want to puke? It’s because of the countless number of times I’ve heard that verse quoted and demonized, err, sermonized rather: reality asks, how can we know which way our children are to go if we ourselves have not the way?

I suppose we could blame it all on the absence of true apostles within the church today.

Or we could blame it on ourselves by not heeding Jeremiah’s warning as is expressed in Chapter Three of the book by the same name in the Bible, i.e. we have not turned to the Father with our whole heart in order that he would then feed us with knowledge and Wisdom and, therefor, understanding.

Found within our churches today are what I have fondly/sarcastically come to term "Pharisee children." We have taught our children the fulfilled, OT, misdirected towards us, Jewish law of the Ten Commandments, and wonder why they grow up to be, not those who deeply love the Lord Jesus, and their wives, from a pure heart, but self-righteous, snibbling, stoggily legalistic "Christians" who cannot build God’s Kingdom anymore than we could. As adults they become poor mates, powerless believers, and ineffective parents producing another generation of people who are even more self-serving than the parents - if that were possible.

Does anyone out there want to hear this? Could this in any way fathomable whatsoever be from the heart of our goody-two-shoed God?

If you answered yes or maybe, proceed. If no, go back to sleep and rest up, for tomorrow is Friday and there’s much to do: go shopping at the mall, drop the kids off at self-defense class, go out to a nice dinner, pick up the theater tickets, prepare yet another erroneous teaching on the Ten Commandments for Sunday School (in the hopes at least our children might not grow up to be another Columbine shooter and embarrass us by exposing just how bad of parents and believers we are), etc., etc., i.e. all the things "Christian" couples and parents need to do to serve their Lord.

Just what "way should he go"?

There are no longer Ten Commandments required only of the Hebrew race. It failed. There are now Two Commandments required of the human race. Again we failed. We cannot obey them, because we do not appropriate the Graces required to perform them. So how can we, on an ongoing basis, know to remind our children:

"You did something bad today. You cannot be "good." It’s impossible. All of us are born into sin, and we will always do bad things and think bad things. You are being punished for doing bad things, but God can also see your heart, and knows even if we as your parents can condition you to not do bad things, you are still going to think bad things. And when you grow up and mommy and daddy are no longer able to condition you and punish you, then you will fall under the authority of God. He, too, has a list of crimes and punishments. They are in place for your protection, as well as the protection of your mate, children you might have, and all other human beings of this planet. You cannot do, or even just think bad things, without it eventually negatively affecting other human beings who God loves just as much as He does you.

"And since God is not here in the flesh to love others, He needs us to do it for Him. If we do not allow God to rid us of those things which oppose His Love, and do not obtain the Graces needed to perform that Love for Him, then we are part of the world’s problem and are living in a constant state of opposing what God wants and needs to do on this planet.

"Johnny and Mary, today you will be punished for what you did. But tomorrow you will likely either do it again if conditions are right, or do something else that’s bad, or maybe even repress your bad thoughts for a long time. But eventually they will slowly destroy your life. the only hope we have as people is to turn to the Heavenly father in utter failure of our attempts to be good, ask Him to show us those bad things in our heart, so we can then call upon Him in faith believing for that which we need to change."

Brethren, there’s nothing new under the sun. Never has been. The patterns the world requires be set in place and obeyed are the same which were already established in the heavens. We are given as an example a Father who established the vision, just like a CEO or apostle, a Son who carried out His plan, and a Middle Manager who keeps it all rolling along on a day-to-day basis. Likewise, the family unit must also follow a chain-of-command.

Is the male head of household any different or of any greater equality in God’s eyes than the wife? No. Jesus fixed that once and for all. Just as the Father is no greater than the Son. But each has their purpose to fulfill. They are still One: they are of the same, or one, mind; they are of the same, or one, heart; they are perfectly equal. But all cannot be about the same business. Each by themselves cannot accomplish the fullness of what they can collectively. So while the earthly mind might intellectually deem the position and duties of one more important than another, in Truth, which is the true reality, each one’s duties are perfectly equal in importance to the others. From heaven’s view, they are, collectively, one.

Of course, just as the rebellious and immature Christian cannot fathom how the Catholic down the street, or the too legalistic Baptist next door, or the liberal mainline Protestant across the alley, cannot possibly have been born-again and is therefor true brethren (even if perhaps the majority who attend their churches are not), and all of the same body, the one body of Christ, so too does God allow our minds to be boggled when we intellectually dissect the Trinity. They are One; we are one: no difference.

Yes, most of us men get married much too young in comparison to our maturity. We are much too selfish and self-centered in all we do. At other times we put our wives and/or children on too high a pedestal, not realizing children must fall in order they learn how to not trip, and wives also have their female egos which oppose the Gospel and must therefor not be fueled.

So how can a loving God possibly expect, much less command, a woman who is equal to be voluntarily in subjection to a husband who is likely a real jack a__? The same way a Jesus-God subjected Himself to the commands of the Father and allowed Himself slain: the unfeigned, supernaturally manifested fruits of the Spirit. It ain’t heaven yet.

"I can do ALL things through Christ . . .."

"[The supernatural and unconditional] Love [of God] NEVER fails."

". . . let it be the adorning of a Meek and quiet spirit . . .[and this goes for you guys, too, for in the SPIRITUAL realm "there’s neither male nor female."]."

"Men, love your wives [and stop being such a pompous jerk] . . .."

"Wives, love your husbands [and stop assisting that spirit of error/Jezebel spirit/anti-christ/whatever the name-of-the-month thing by even unconsciously placing upon your husbands a greater burden than they can possibly bear, thereby asking them to supplant God the Father who alone must be your Protector, the Provider of all your needs, etc. For] I am a jealous God" and "you shall have no other ‘gods’ before Me."

Amen. Amen.
 

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Cool! Thanks brethren - it's a lonesome and usually thankless place where the Lord has me. Many blessings, in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior and King of a world without end. To Whom, along with the Heavenly Father Jehovah and Holy Ghost, alone be glory and power and honor and praise forever and ever. Amen.

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To whom-

P.S. Sorry, but I cannot get back her for a time.
 
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The point being? I'm sorry but I don't get it.
So how can a loving God possibly expect, much less command, a woman who is equal to be voluntarily in subjection to a husband who is likely a real jack a__?
Why is he likely to be a real jackass? That's kind of a negative approach don't you think?
 
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Originally posted by brotherjim
and wives also have their female egos which oppose the Gospel and must therefor not be fueled.


"Wives, love your husbands [and stop assisting that spirit of error/Jezebel spirit/anti-christ/whatever the name-of-the-month thing by even unconsciously placing upon your husbands a greater burden than they can possibly bear, thereby asking them to supplant God the Father who alone must be your Protector, the Provider of all your needs, etc. For] I am a jealous God" and "you shall have no other ‘gods’ before Me."

Amen. Amen.

 

Ahem. . .although I am not a feminist, I see almost a hatred toward women in this post.

First of all-why is "the female ego" opposed to the Gospel while the "male ego" gets a free pass to whatever?

The "male ego" has obstructed the Gospel just as much as the "female ego" has. Adam didn't have to eat the apple. Madalyn Murray O Hair existed because of Charles Darwin. And so on. All are equally sinful.

And what do you think of wives who are loving, theologically accurate, and who try their very hardest not to place a burden on anyone? Are they to be ruled over with an iron fist too?

Christ will rule the world with a rod of iron-He rules the Church with love. Husbands are not to be dictators running a tinpot household-they are to be stewards of what God has given them.

 :sigh:

 
 
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Homie,

No problem - if you truly don't get the point, I personally don't believe the Lord holds you responsible (my opinion only).

I didn't think it was negative, merely objective (or subjective ?? - I don't understand the difference between the two, but I'll look it up for next time).


Susan

[I don't know how to spell out that sound someone makes when they're clearing their throat, but: Insert here.]

Ex-squeeze me.

The topic was FAMILIAL Headship, and not "Submission."

I'm already criticized heavily for the length of my posts, and you're wanting a book! :)

Agreed! - there is just as much - actually more, since they are being spiritually responsible for both their wife and themselves - of a call to submission upon man as there is the woman. The man is called to submit to the authority of the pastor (regardless of how perfect the pastor is - for if we do our part God will do His and bring necessary justice and change), and the pastor is called to submit to the allowing of the prophets to speak and to the final doctrinal/government of the apostles (guess that's why few men want to attend church, and why . . ..).

Insofar as the anti-christ spirit, we are lorded over by w(W)homever we will to obey. Having the seal of God upon us through the New Birth, does not mean we are walking in His Spirit and neitther necessarily obeying His voice. This should be obvious in reality, if not just in the Word.


FOMWatts,

I Love you more! :)


Thanks Everyone!
 
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P.S.

Oh, that's soooooooo funny. I came back because I remembered I didn't answer Susan's judgment of my hating women, onlt to read her post again and see SHE already used and therefor spelled out "that noise someone makes when clearing their throat": "ahem." I'm so lame!

No, Susan, I can assure you there's little chance I have any deep-seated hatred of women, for I actually would wish such was possible - it would make life sooooooooo much easier! :)

Bottom Line: The church is impotent due in a large part to its members' unwillingness to submit. Rebellion rules in the heart after conversion, just as it did before. We all want to be a god onto ourselves. And, as I eluded to above, if we will take the first step and submit - and the wife isn't really submitting to man, but to the Word, I believe God's Word promises He will bring her/his spouse in line with the Word and the husband more worthy of being submitted to or the wife more submissive, whichever the case may be (insomuch as any human being can possibly be worthy of anything).

Sooooooooo...................shall we begin?
 
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