"He Added No More" - A thought about the Commandments

[Stewartnz]

Nearly 40 years after the Ten Commandments had been given at Sinai, and Israel were about to enter into Canaan, the account of their Exodus was repeated to the new generation. It was said that the Ten Commandments were spoken by God, written by Him on stone, and delivered to Moses. In connection with this, Moses then makes the statement that, “He added no more”. (Deut 5:22)

He added no more. The Ten Commandments formed a complete, distinct, law in themselves. (They were a “whole law”.) There was never anything else added to them. But it seems interesting to me that this cannot be said about the book of ordinances containing the ceremonial laws. There were additions made to that. The ceremonial laws were always only temporary, and subject to modification. A brief example of this is given in the following account.

In the second year after Israel had come out of Egypt, God instituted a Second Passover, because “certain men” found that they were not able to keep the Passover in the first month. (See Numbers 9.) This ‘additional’ Passover was instituted in the second month, and far from it being an isolated, singular event, God established it for their “posterity”, i.e. for the generations that would follow. (Num 9:10). Here we have an example of the ceremonial laws being subject to addition or modification. But this cannot be said of the Ten Commandments.

Many have tried to apply the fourth Commandment to Sunday keeping, thinking that it is entirely in order to modify or change its application. The Commandment specifies the seventh day, but many have thought to change the application to fit the first day of the week.

 

[k4c]

Nearly 40 years after the Ten Commandments had been given at Sinai, and Israel were about to enter into Canaan, the account of their Exodus was repeated to the new generation. It was said that the Ten Commandments were spoken by God, written by Him on stone, and delivered to Moses. In connection with this, Moses then makes the statement that, “He added no more”. (Deut 5:22)

He added no more. The Ten Commandments formed a complete, distinct, law in themselves. (They were a “whole law”.) There was never anything else added to them. But it seems interesting to me that this cannot be said about the book of ordinances containing the ceremonial laws. There were additions made to that. The ceremonial laws were always only temporary, and subject to modification. A brief example of this is given in the following account.

In the second year after Israel had come out of Egypt, God instituted a Second Passover, because “certain men” found that they were not able to keep the Passover in the first month. (See Numbers 9.) This ‘additional’ Passover was instituted in the second month, and far from it being an isolated, singular event, God established it for their “posterity”, i.e. for the generations that would follow. (Num 9:10). Here we have an example of the ceremonial laws being subject to addition or modification. But this cannot be said of the Ten Commandments.

Many have tried to apply the fourth Commandment to Sunday keeping, thinking that it is entirely in order to modify or change its application. The Commandment specifies the seventh day, but many have thought to change the application to fit the first day of the week.

Very good points...

I also like the fact how the fourth commandment says, Remember. The word, remember, brings us back to creation week when God made the day holy. Whether people were keeping it holy prior to Siani really does not matter because people were not doing alot of things God wanted them to do prior to Siani that's why He had to put it in writting.

 

[Cribstyl]

Rather that expound on what "He added no more" means, K4c is saying that Exd 20:8¶Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
"Remember" takes us back to creation week.

The word "Remember"(zakar ) does mean "recall", "call to mind" it also means "keep in remembrance", "make a memorial."

We'll be back to revisit the text.

Ex 20 has 26 verses....The first 17 are the ten commandments. The 18th-21st verse tells us:

Exd 20:18¶And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw [it], they removed, and stood afar off.
Exd 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Exd 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].

Moses said "all the people saw thundering",.....
Whoa, We know that people cant see thunder. Thunder is the sound that follow lightnings. By reading further we get the images that Moses is portraying to our minds about thunder and lightning.
My first point is "understand the whole truth."

We understand from the scriptures above that; the people heard thunder and also heard the noise of the trumpet.
We understand that; the people saw lightning and also saw smoke coming from the mountain causing them to fear.



As Stewartnz said "nearly 40yrs later"...(actually about 36 and1/2) here is what Moses said happened that day on the Mountain, from the midst of the fire;

Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,

The transliteration for "show" in "show you the words of the Lord, "nagad" means "declare", "tell", "inform", "make known", "testify", "report", etc.

If you were a Pentecostal Evangelical like I am, I would tell you that "God spoke in tongues through thunder and trumpet they heard, and Moses interpret God's words to the people"....but let's not go there.

I'll continued on the next post..... Please let me know where I'm wrong in my understnding....,,thank you

 

[Cribstyl]

My second and major point is;
Remember in Deu 5:5 ,,,,Moses said, that he declared what God said from the midst of the fire.....

So, Moses can tell us if... "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy"....takes us back to creation week or not".

We know that many words have plurality of meaning. In this case "scripture reveals scripture" rather than picking a definition that supports an argument.

THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT
Exd 20:8¶Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.


Deu 5:12¶Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

When you understand that Moses is telling us in Deut 5:12 "...the Lord thy God commanded thee", This reveals that Ex20:8 is a strong unwavering command, and is the actual the sabbath commandment, rather than an explanation.The explanation of WHY looks back and to remember creation comes in Ex20:11.

HOW TO KEEP THE SABBATH
Exd 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exd 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
Ex 20:9,10 and Deut 5:13,14 are HOW to keep the sabbath commandment.


WHY TO KEEP THE SABBATH
Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Ex 20:11 and Deut 5:15 gives WHY to keep the sabbath commandment.

Deu 5:15And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.



The fact that there are two different reasons given to keep it supports some important facts;
A) The sabbath commandment simply " keep the Sabbath day Holy.(end quote)"
B) Having two reasons is not an error, It explains and reveals how and why sabbath was made for man as Jesus qouted.


The biblical truth does not play to the hands of creation institution of Sabbath, unless you ignor context and allow commentary to do it's work,,,,,,,,you get my drift.

 

[k4c]

Cribstyl; K4c is saying that Exd 20:8¶Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
"Remember" takes us back to creation week.
The word "Remember"(zakar ) does mean "recall", "call to mind" it also means "keep in remembrance", "make a memorial."

You are wearing out the saints...

The word (Remember) in the fouth commandment is taking us back to the seventh day of creation. Read the verses!!!!

Exodus 20:8-11"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. WHY? For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The last time I checked, when the Lord made the heavens and earth in six days and blessed the seventh day it was back at creation.

 

[taikachanz]

The last time I checked, when the Lord made the heavens and earth in six days and blessed the seventh day it was back at creation.

And someone is forgetting a very important point here. (See the green italic words.)

Search your scriptures, I believe you will find that when God blesses something it stays blessed forever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[k4c]

And someone is forgetting a very important point here. (See the green italic words.)

Search your scriptures, I believe you will find that when God blesses something it stays blessed forever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You would think the word (blessed) means cursed the way some people feel about the Sabbath...

 

[taikachanz]

You would think the word (blessed) means cursed the way some people feel about the Sabbath...

According to one unnamed organization those who keep sabbath are cursed. (They burned people at the stake at one time for its observance)

 

[Cribstyl]

And someone is forgetting a very important point here. (See the green italic words.)

Search your scriptures, I believe you will find that when God blesses something it stays blessed forever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No Sir, I did not forget that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day of creation forever. Your understanding differs from mine about WHY as written in Genesis 2:1-3 and in the 4th commandment in Ex20 and Deut 5.

In my research Heaven is the blessed and sanctified Sabbath where no man can defile. The Sabbath given to the Children of Israel is always a 24hr day blessed and declare as a Holy day unto God.

I dont want to show you that God blessed the household of Egyptians during Joseph's day. Was that forever?

I dont want to show you that some blessing to men are conditional.
The bible tell us of blessings or curses if we take certain paths.

In peace
CRIB

 

[taikachanz]

No Sir, I did not forget that God blessed and sanctified the seventh day of creation forever. Your understanding differs from mine about WHY as written in Genesis 2:1-3 and in the 4th commandment in Ex20 and Deut 5.

In my research Heaven is the blessed and sanctified Sabbath where no man can defile. The Sabbath given to the Children of Israel is always a 24hr day blessed and declare as a Holy day unto God.

I dont want to show you that God blessed the household of Egyptians during Joseph's day. Was that forever?

I dont want to show you that some blessing to men are conditional.
The bible tell us of blessings or curses if we take certain paths.

In peace
CRIB

Now we get into the meaning of forever within bibilcal context and in relation to the scriptures referenced. Shall we open another thread?

 

[Cribstyl]

Now we get into the meaning of forever within bibilcal context and in relation to the scriptures referenced. Shall we open another thread?

I spent 20hr preparing a response to the OP and K4c....and they wont scrutinized or respond as I hoped.

Go ahead, I'll play fair and join in your thread on "forever".......I do have to go to church soon so..........

 

[k4c]

I spent 20hr preparing a response to the OP and K4c....and they wont scrutinized or respond as I hoped.

Go ahead, I'll play fair and join in your thread on "forever".......I do have to go to church soon so..........

I'm not sure which 20hr response I didn't respond to but if I find a twisted view of something in the beginning of a response then the whole response is twisted. For example, if someone says the Sabbath is not a memorial of creation, when in fact it says it right within the fourth commandment, then that response is twisted.

I have to conserve my time and energy these days.

 

[Cribstyl]

What was your responses to posts #3 and #4

 

[taikachanz]

What was your responses to posts #3 and #4

I see you have given up the "Forever" thread, is there a reason for this?

 

[Cribstyl]

I see you have given up the "Forever" thread, is there a reason for this?

Yes... You invited me into a topic on "forever",
I kinda agreed with 8/10th of your OP. Your last paragraph was unsupported with scriptures or the word "forever".... your implication is about a creation instituted Sabbath being forever. YOU HAVE NO PROOF I can agree with.

When we examine the blessings of God it pertains to how long whatever it is that God has blessed will exist. For the sabbath day it will last for as long as there are days to count.
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My thoughts was "OH NO, not another creation instituted sabbath commentary thread.

I ask for proof text on that argument because you're saying two things.
In the 8/10th I agreed with you said that forever is not always forever.

 

[Stewartnz]

The fact that there are two different reasons given to keep it supports some important facts;
A) The sabbath commandment simply " keep the Sabbath day Holy.(end quote)"
B) Having two reasons is not an error, It explains and reveals how and why sabbath was made for man as Jesus quoted.

The biblical truth does not play to the hands of creation institution of Sabbath, unless you ignore context and allow commentary to do it's work,,,,,,,,you get my drift.

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 Compared.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)



"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:12-15)

Has God given two reasons for the institution of the Sabbath?

1.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.

And

2.
Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it... AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, AND [remember] that the Lord brought you out thence... THEREFORE the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

_____________

The “first” Sabbath commandment structure is, “Remember the Sabbath... FOR (or because)... the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.”

The structure of the “second” Sabbath commandment is different.
“Keep the Sabbath... AND remember... AND [also remember]... THEREFORE...”

If you can bear with me, there is another Scripture that shares a very similar structure to the Deut 5 Sabbath verses.

(Deut 24:17-18)
"Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
But you shall remember that you were a bondman in Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee thence: THEREFORE I command thee to do this thing."

Why did God command His people not to “pervert the judgment of a stranger”? (Or as the RSV puts it, “not [to] deprive a resident alien of justice”?)

A surface reading will tell us that the reason is that God redeemed them from Egypt. So the reason for equality in justice, is that God brought Israel out of Egypt?

Crib, I do not understand the structure of the Deut 5 Sabbath commandment as clearly as I would like, but I know that there is more to it than a surface reading will admit.

 

[Cribstyl]

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 Compared.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)

"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:12-15)

Has God given two reasons for the institution of the Sabbath?

1.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.

And

2.
Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it... AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, AND [remember] that the Lord brought you out thence... THEREFORE the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

_____________

The “first” Sabbath commandment structure is, “Remember the Sabbath... FOR (or because)... the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.”

The structure of the “second” Sabbath commandment is different.
“Keep the Sabbath... AND remember... AND [also remember]... THEREFORE...”

If you can bear with me, there is another Scripture that shares a very similar structure to the Deut 5 Sabbath verses.

(Deut 24:17-18)
"Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
But you shall remember that you were a bondman in Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee thence: THEREFORE I command thee to do this thing."

Why did God command His people not to “pervert the judgment of a stranger”? (Or as the RSV puts it, “not [to] deprive a resident alien of justice”?)

A surface reading will tell us that the reason is that God redeemed them from Egypt. So the reason for equality in justice, is that God brought Israel out of Egypt?

Crib, I do not understand the structure of the Deut 5 Sabbath commandment as clearly as I would like, but I know that there is more to it than a surface reading will admit.

Thinking of a response to your post.... Congratulations for trusting in the Lord with you life.

 

[Cribstyl]

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 Compared.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)



"Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:12-15)

Has God given two reasons for the institution of the Sabbath?

1.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... FOR in six days the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.

And

2.
Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it... AND remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, AND [remember] that the Lord brought you out thence... THEREFORE the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

_____________

The “first” Sabbath commandment structure is, “Remember the Sabbath... FOR (or because)... the Lord made heaven and earth... and rested the seventh day.”

The structure of the “second” Sabbath commandment is different.
“Keep the Sabbath... AND remember... AND [also remember]... THEREFORE...”

If you can bear with me, there is another Scripture that shares a very similar structure to the Deut 5 Sabbath verses.

(Deut 24:17-18)
"Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
But you shall remember that you were a bondman in Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee thence: THEREFORE I command thee to do this thing."

Why did God command His people not to “pervert the judgment of a stranger”? (Or as the RSV puts it, “not [to] deprive a resident alien of justice”?)

A surface reading will tell us that the reason is that God redeemed them from Egypt. So the reason for equality in justice, is that God brought Israel out of Egypt?

My read is; "You should remember how unfortunate it feels to live as slave, so give widows and strangers reasonable access and rights.

Crib, I do not understand the structure of the Deut 5 Sabbath commandment as clearly as I would like, but I know that there is more to it than a surface reading will admit.

A rabbi told me the 4th commandment was simply the blue above. The red prove that Moses was giving the commandment to "keep" the sabbath holy in Ex20:8 rather than an explanation WHY to "remember creation.

many reasons are given for keeping sabbath , (The sabbath is a sign between you and me).

You can check a few Jewish websites and see what they claim is the 4th commandment.

 

[Stewartnz]

My read is; "You should remember how unfortunate it feels to live as slave, so give widows and strangers reasonable access and rights.

Might not the same be true for the Sabbath?
"You should remember how unfortunate you were, and how hard you were treated, working seven days a week." Have an appreciation for, and delight yourself in, the Sabbath. (Knowing what it is like to be without it!)

But in the same way that equity in justice was to be greatly appreciated outside of Egypt, that equity did not originate when Israel were brought out of Egypt. It was not a reason for the equality existing, but it was a reason to appreciate it.

Same with the Sabbath?

(A hasty reply, but can you see my reasoning?)

 

[Cribstyl]

Might not the same be true for the Sabbath?
"You should remember how unfortunate you were, and how hard you were treated, working seven days a week." Have an appreciation for, and delight yourself in, the Sabbath. (Knowing what it is like to be without it!)

But in the same way that equity in justice was to be greatly appreciated outside of Egypt, that equity did not originate when Israel were brought out of Egypt. It was not a reason for the equality existing, but it was a reason to appreciate it.

Same with the Sabbath?

(A hasty reply, but can you see my reasoning?)

Yes, I took a long look at what you're saying the word "Remember" could mean.

The fact that the ten commandments is written again with an explanation of what happened at Sinai cant be ignored.......

Here's what Moses said was meant in Exd 20:8;
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount saying,

Deu 5:12¶Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Tell me if Im wrong.
God talked to them face to face.
Because they were afraid of the fire.
Moses stood between God and the people
Moses declared to the COI what God was saying

So Moses is now saying 36yrs later that God had said "Keep" as He commanded rather than look back to creation.

The fact that we can go back to these words said emediately after the 10 commandments Exd 20:18¶And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw [it], they removed, and stood afar off.
Exd 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Exd 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.