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A call to ban Islam?
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/70069/signature/new

Even as destructive as Islam can be seen to be, wouldn't banning Islam be as bad a banning free speech?

Curious, are there any from the UK here on this forum?
Britain: Muslim Rape Gangs Run Wild | FrontPage Magazine
1,400 British non-Muslim children were gang-raped and brutalized by Muslims in the British city of Rotherham, in accord with the Qur’anic allowance for the sexual enslavement of infidel women that the Islamic State has pointed to in order to justify its exploitation of captive Yazidi and Christian women. But no airstrikes were called in Rotherham; rather, British officials there “described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” And now four years of key and highly incriminating files have gone missing.

According to the Mirror, “Professor Alexandra Jay, who wrote the bombshell report revealing 1,400 young girls were abused in the town over 15 years, said minutes from key meetings have disappeared. Rotherham Council was slammed in her report for ignoring the scandal and its leader and chief executive have both since resigned.”

These files almost certainly contain damning material about how British officials wouldn’t move against the rape gangs for fear of being stigmatized as “racists” and “Islamophobes.” But those officials are still in positions of power and influence in Britain, and so these missing files are unlikely ever to be recovered.

If anyone in Britain has the courage actually to search for them, has he or she checked Nick Lowles’s office? The people who have the most to lose here are people like Lowles, the leader of the far-Left group with the Orwellian name “Hope Not Hate,” who for years smeared anyone and everyone who spoke out against these Muslim rape gangs as “racist,” “bigoted” and “Islamophobic.” The Muslim rape gangs went unreported, unprosecuted, and in general unstopped because of organizations like Hope Not Hate, and others such as Faith Matters and Tell Mama, that waged relentless war against anyone and everyone who spoke out about these issue.

(Incidentally, when these groups led the campaign to ban Pamela Geller and me from entering Britain, one of the events we had discussed going to was a rally against the rape gangs. And despite smearing us as hatemongering equivalents of British jihadist Anjem Choudary, Lowles, when challenged on the BBC, could not come up with a single “hateful” statement I have ever made in 13 books, hundreds of articles, and over 40,000 blog posts.)

Meanwhile, search for “grooming” (these gangs are usually called “grooming gangs” in the British media) at Hope Not Hate’s site, and you will see that a significant percentage of the articles mentioning this practice are attacking those who are calling attention to it and protesting against it.

Who, then, is responsible for the religion-based mass gang-rape of British girls? The British Left — in particular the “anti-hate” crusaders Lowles and Matthew Collins of Hope Not Hate, Fiyaz Mughal of Faith Matters and Tell Mama, and their friends, supporters, and allies.

The lives of 1,400 girls are ruined today because of these men. If Britain were even close to being a sane society today, these people would be being subjected to scorching criticism, and there would be a thorough public reevaluation of how much the Left’s alliance with Islamic supremacism and smear campaign against foes of jihad terror has harmed the nation and its people.

But Britain is not a sane society today, and these sinister individuals — Lowles, Mughal, and the rest of them — will continue to wield their considerable power and influence there. Or at least they will until they have outlived their usefulness to those whom they have aided, like the Communists in Iran who helped the Ayatollah Khomeini come to power, only to discover that what the “Islamophobes” had been saying about the pious cleric was all true.

And so when British society dissolves into daily bloodshed and civil war, as it almost certainly will when British officials finally say no to any further appeasement and accommodation of Islamic supremacists, and those supremacists take umbrage, the thieves of these Rotherham files (as well as Lowles, Collins, Mughal and all their accomplices) can congratulate themselves that they were never, not even for a second, “racist.”
 

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Yes, it would be contrary to free speech.

The fact is, that rape is committed by rapists, not Muslims. The Catholic church has not been banned. Evangelical Christianity has not been banned.

It is immoral both in and out of Islam, and is Illegal in the UK.

Unlike many religions, Islam specifically requires its followers to adhere to the laws of the host country (or to leave)

A rapist therefore demonstrates a LACK of faith in Islam, whatever cultural group they may think they are part-of.

Interestingly and sadly, I have been unable to find any condemnation of rape in any part of The Bible, nor that secular laws should be respected.

I don't see what else there is to discuss. Bring the perpetrators to justice, find out if more could be done to protect children or prevent the situation and move on.
 
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The mirror.co.uk links steadfastly refused to identify the abusers.I managed to find a detailed wikipedia link which identifies the abusers as british-pakistanis. All The victims are white girls aged around 12.

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As per the wiki report

"In Lancashire there were 100 prosecutions the year before last, in South Yorkshire there were no prosecutions". The council apologised for its "systemic failure" that had "let down" the victims of child sexual exploitation.[22]


Can somebody from that area confirm this data ?.
 
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Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deuteronomy 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Deuteronomy 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

Well actually Mohammad/allah condoned rape
004.024 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

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O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

023.006 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

070.030 Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
 
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Interestingly and sadly, I have been unable to find any condemnation of rape in any part of The Bible, nor that secular laws should be respected.

Admonitions to respect the secular laws are found numerous places in the New Testament; in the gospels, books of Acts, Titus, Peter, probably others.
 
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The mirror is also owned by one of the most disgusting human beings ever to walk this Earth, whose motivations are uniquely selfish and yet wide-reaching in our current time, and who also owns the site you quoted, and fox news.

That is an auto-fail! This is a person worse than Hitler and more wide-reaching. He is Stalin, only wise. Pol-pot only competent. His politics and morality exist at the point where extreme right and extreme left meet.

It's the dumb vote. People who go with him don't believe in free speech, don't believe in honest reporting, don't believe in ACTUAL impartiality, don't believe in investigative reporting, don't believe in critical thinking, don't believe in Scientific Method, and don't believe in objective truth for actual results. They also don't care who gets hurt as long as it's not them. Which of course it is, just not immediately.


My original comment has yet to be replied-to. As follows:

Yes, it would be contrary to free speech.

The fact is, that rape is committed by rapists, not Muslims. The Catholic church has not been banned. Evangelical Christianity has not been banned.

It is immoral both in and out of Islam, and is Illegal in the UK.

Unlike many religions, Islam specifically requires its followers to adhere to the laws of the host country (or to leave)

A rapist therefore demonstrates a LACK of faith in Islam, whatever cultural group they may think they are part-of.

Interestingly and sadly, I have been unable to find any condemnation of rape in any part of The Bible, nor that secular laws should be respected.

I don't see what else there is to discuss. Bring the perpetrators to justice, find out if more could be done to protect children or prevent the situation and move on.
 
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Actually I did a few posts back.
 
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Actually I did a few posts back.

Actually, it's not only my intelligence you insult by making such a statement but that of everyone here.

Actually the more I use the word actually the more pompous I will get.

Actually, your opinion is only worth as much as any one individual yet born on this Earth.

Actually, you have said nothing whatsoever.

Actually, let's TEST what you have to say... no, really...

Actually, answer the question. Not by means of past imagined glory but by ACTUALLY taking the points I make and one by one refuting them using facts that can be backed-up by others even if they disagree with you....OBJECTIVE truth.

NO?

Of course not.
 
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Interestingly and sadly, I have been unable to find any condemnation of rape in any part of The Bible, nor that secular laws should be respected.

Admonitions to respect the secular laws are found numerous places in the New Testament; in the gospels, books of Acts, Titus, Peter, probably others.

Which you do not quote. I will look for context, of course..

Did you try looking at the inside of the book? That top part where it says "Holy Bible", that's just the cover. There's lots more words inside.
 
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In truth I answered that a few posts back [post #5] which I will paste here for you. In truth for the first example you will need to connect the dots - do not covet + love thy neighbour as thyself

Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deuteronomy 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Mark 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

In truth my friend the following is about rape, you need to ACTUALLY read it.
Deuteronomy 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

In Islam the victim is often punished because she does not have the needed 4 witnesses of the crime.-

Well in truth Mohammad/allah condoned rape. You must remember that in Islam the woman is in truth property.
004.024 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

033.050
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

023.006 Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

070.030 Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
 
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I didn't quote the mirror.It is stupid to reply to a post without a clue what the post is referring to.

 
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