Hating on Chickfila...Why??

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

wordsoflife said:
If people come out in support and purchase their food more it will help them.[/quote

LOL it is not over until it is over

let see how many more of chicken sandwiches those 600000 mike hucklebee followers can keep stuffing down their throats

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

bbbbbbb said:
Exactly! On the flip side of the coin, where is the public outcry against J C Penney and its CEO, which have adopted a stridently pro-gay agenda?

I thnk the proof is in the numbers. Sales at Chik-Fil-A are up and sales for the past two quarters at JCP are down by at least 20%. People do vote with their money.

exactly, gays are substandard human beings, in my humble opinion.

wordsoflife · Oct 6, 2012

Grace51 said:
wordsoflife said:

If people come out in support and purchase their food more it will help them.[/quote

LOL it is not over until it is over

let see how many more of chicken sandwiches those 600000 mike hucklebee followers can keep stuffing down their throats

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Over the next 40 years I bet I can eat a lot of Chicken.

Texan40 · Oct 6, 2012

If Focus on the Family is a hate group I'll eat my hat! Why do I care what the Southern Poverty Law Center claims? Only ridiculous lawyers would claim that supporting marriage and family is "hate." It's rhetoric used to evoke an emotional response not a rational argument.

revrobor · Oct 6, 2012

Texan40 said:
If Focus on the Family is a hate group I'll eat my hat! Why do I care what the Southern Poverty Law Center claims? Only ridiculous lawyers would claim that supporting marriage and family is "hate." It's rhetoric used to evoke an emotional response not a rational argument.

Absolutely correct. It's the same rhetoric used by homosexuals.

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

Texan40 said:
If Focus on the Family is a hate group I'll eat my hat! Why do I care what the Southern Poverty Law Center claims? Only ridiculous lawyers would claim that supporting marriage and family is "hate." It's rhetoric used to evoke an emotional response not a rational argument.

LOL, did you actually read why Southern Poverty Law Center stated that focus on family is a hate group?

of course supporting marriage and family is not hate

but using dishonet tatics and twist the information in order to achieve their goals is.

it is rhetoric to evoke emotional response and not a rational argument?

how ironic for someone who has not even bothered to check the facts before open his mouth.

if in your humble opinion, that lying and slander is ok just because the gays are involved? then i think that says alot about your state.

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

revrobor said:
Absolutely correct. It's the same rhetoric used by homosexuals.

as a follower of God, i take the sin of slander and lying against others seriously, part of what i do is checked out all the facts.

and i stand by everything i have said on Focus on the Family

I am on the side of God on this one, no retraction will be given

revrobor · Oct 6, 2012

Grace51 said:
as a follower of God, i take the sin of slander and lying against others seriously, part of what i do is checked out all the facts.

and i stand by everything i have said on Focus on the Family

I am on the side of God on this one, no retraction will be given

You have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF and are assuming what the SPLC says is true. I have followed FOF for decades and always found the Christ centered and reputable.

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

wordsoflife said:
Grace51 said:

Over the next 40 years I bet I can eat a lot of Chicken.

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that is ok, JC Penney continues to use Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson, they rolled out a "gay" fathers day campaign after the boycott of gay mother day campaign

wonder how many chickens you have to eat to change that?

10000, 100000, 1 millions?

or what about the fact that there are many Christians out there like myself, who realized God never said non Christians (gay or straight) are not allowed to become parents, are 100% for gays becoming parents as long as they are fit?

you see, the thing is does not matter how many chicken you eat, i wont be changing my mind on this issue today, tomorrow or the day after that.

so good luck. LOL...

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

revrobor said:
You have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF and are assuming what the SPLC says is true. I have followed FOF for decades and always found the Christ centered and reputable.

i am sorry, you statment is misleading

first you said i have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF

i have !through the link

secondly, you said i have assumed SPLC said is true. well, they did back their statement with statement from other Christians

in fact, you first statement completely contradict your second one, first you say i have not present any slanders or lies, and then you infered i have, but it was assumed?????????

anyway, it seems to me you are the one who is doing the assumptions here, as you did not present evidence / or an independent source against the statement SPLC made, all you did was to back up your statement with , well, you own statement.

anyway, you wanted credited lies and slanders, here you go

James Dobson distorts research...again! - YouTube

(Out of ) Focus on the Family - YouTube

Dr. Robert Spitzer Retracts 'Ex-Gay' Study and Apologizes to the LGBT Community - YouTube

Grace51 · Oct 6, 2012

revrobor said:
You have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF and are assuming what the SPLC says is true. I have followed FOF for decades and always found the Christ centered and reputable.

i am sorry, you statment is misleading

first you said i have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF

i have !through the link

secondly, you said i have assumed SPLC said is true. well, they did back their statement with statement from other Christians

in fact, you first statement completely contradict your second one, first you say i have not present any slanders or lies, and then you infered i have, but it was assumed?????????

anyway, it seems to me you are the one who is doing the assumptions here, as you did not present evidence / or an independent source against the statement SPLC made, all you did was to back up your statement with , well, you own statement.

anyway, you wanted credited lies and slanders, here you go

James Dobson distorts research...again! - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwE6_dLweYo

Dr. Robert Spitzer Retracts 'Ex-Gay' Study and Apologizes to the LGBT Community - YouTube

revrobor · Oct 6, 2012

Grace51 said:
i am sorry, you statment is misleading

first you said i have not presented any slanders or lies credited to FOF

i have !through the link

secondly, you said i have assumed SPLC said is true. well, they did back their statement with statement from other Christians

in fact, you first statement completely contradict your second one, first you say i have not present any slanders or lies, and then you infered i have, but it was assumed?????????

anyway, it seems to me you are the one who is doing the assumptions here, as you did not present evidence / or an independent source against the statement SPLC made, all you did was to back up your statement with , well, you own statement.

anyway, you wanted credited lies and slanders, here you go

So Dr. Dobson misunderstood one researcher, disagreed with another and used the work of a third who had changed his mind. That hardly adds up to "lies and slander". If you are a Christian then you know what God says about homosexual sex and those who practice it and what He says about family. That is what you should support. What those people present is ambiguous at best and in the light of what the Bible says should not even be considered.

LionofJudahDK · Oct 7, 2012

Ah...the classic "I'm a Christian, but I care more about what the world thinks than about what God thinks, and that's totally cool and all"-type....

revrobor · Oct 7, 2012

On the contrary. The world thinks homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, homosexuals should be allowed to marry and raise children and that they should not be warned about their lifestyle's consequences. The Bible and I do not.

Grace51 · Oct 7, 2012

revrobor said:
So Dr. Dobson misunderstood one researcher, disagreed with another and used the work of a third who had changed his mind. That hardly adds up to "lies and slander". If you are a Christian then you know what God says about homosexual sex and those who practice it and what He says about family. That is what you should support. What those people present is ambiguous at best and in the light of what the Bible says should not even be considered.

i am astounded by how far as a Christian you are willing to go on this one.

i encourage anyone who came across to this thread to look at those videos are decide for yourself whether revrobor is telling truth.

because the video speaks for themselves.

in Professor Carol Gilligan case, she stated quite clearly "my research has nothing that would support his claim that that ( same sex parenting) would be unhealthy for children"

in fact, she said even if James Dobson just read the introduction to her book, he would know that her book is divided by theme, not by gender"

i do not even know where he is coming from where he stated James Dobson
disagree with the second researcher. He took the the researcher out of context

"Two Mommies" is not the whole story - YouTube

the third researcher Dr Robert Spitzer clearly stated in the first video that Focus on Family used his research as a basis to promote the view that homosexuality can be changed, while left out those crucial words that for most it is not possible, creating this false impression that reparative therapy is valid.

in the second video, as the author of the research, he realized the flaws that made his research invalid. He requested James Dobson to take down the video of him which James Dobson refused.

change his mind? he sure did when he realized his research was not valid

yet despite the researcher who conducted the very research itself said it is not valid. people who did not do the researcher keep claiming it does, despite the researcher protest?

what kind of logic is this?

to this day, James Dobson have made no attempt to apologize for the misuse of other work, he made no attempt to put his words into context, he made no attempt to take down the video to support a claim that based on one research when the researcher stated himself the research is not valid.

the last time i checked, Jesus clearly tells us Matthew 5 37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one, distorting information to create false impression of a conclusion is lying.

failure to put them back into context hence correct the false impression about others is wrong.

Grace51 · Oct 7, 2012

LionofJudahDK said:
Ah...the classic "I'm a Christian, but I care more about what the world thinks than about what God thinks, and that's totally cool and all"-type....

would you care explain what you meant by God thinks?

or is really what you are thinking?

i already made it quite clear i do not support gay marriage in anyway or shape, neither have i ever said i think sodomy is not sin.

however, God has never said about anything that gay are not allowed to become parents, or that only a family consist of a mother and a father is allowed to become parents ( in that case, all single parents should have their children taken away from them).

please quote God own words to support your claim please!

furthermore, even if those are God stance, God has never said we are allowed to use lies and slanders to achieve our goals.

so please, you need to keep your accusations to yourself, as they are completely and utterly unsubstantiated.

and let get one thing straight here, it is you who is putting words into God mouth, not me.

at least i do not have the nerve to justifying lying or put words into God mouth and made it look like He said it.

the whole argument that James Dobson and Christians who support him attempt to build their case on why gays should not become parents based on how God intended family to be.

do not get me wrong, i know the relationship God has in mind is one between a woman and man. And i know ideally, a child should be raised in a Christian household where they are taught to live by word of God from an early age.

however, we live in a fallen word, ideal is not always possible and God Himself has never given instruction the only kind of family unit allowed is one between man and a woman, not single family, not gays.

unlike the fact He has given us direct instruction on sodomy.

trying to use the ideal argument as way to ban gay from parents, is no different from what Catholics is doing with banning on contraceptions based on that single passage from the scripture

"Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother's widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother. What he did greatly offended the Lord, and the Lord took his life. Genesis 38 1

both are complete garbage as they are pathetic attempt by Lords followers to put words into God mouth to justify their own position

God has made quite clear what is sin and what is not sin.

what He bans and what He did not say to ban

please refrain from putting words into God mouth please.

Grace51 · Oct 7, 2012

revrobor said:
On the contrary. The world thinks homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, homosexuals should be allowed to marry and raise children and that they should not be warned about their lifestyle's consequences. The Bible and I do not.

as God followers, i do not retract my statement that are in accordance or not contracting His words.

i am not doing today, i wont be doing it tomorrow, and not the day after it either.

Grace51 · Oct 7, 2012

you know, i think it is kind of sad that many of today believers no longer cares about the integrity or what it suppose mean.

again just let me emphasize this again, i do not support/condone homosexuality.

but the last time i checked, lying and slander is a sin.

so is unrepentence for them

as for conversion therapy.

i am actually for them, as i think it would be great if they are given a chance to change

the problem i am having is the validity of means to achieve them. so many Christians seem to willing to go to any length to distort science and justify quackery, even if it hurt other human beings (gays) in the process.

this is no more ethical for Christian to claim a certain treatment can cure cancer, despite it is not validated by science and have plenty of cases in the past that people are hurt by it.

and they turn it around and trying to defend themselves by saying " oh, well, is it not love to offer cancer patients a cure?"

which is complete straw man.

the point here is not whether it is loving to offer cancer patients a cure / gays a cure.

is whether the mean is safe

human being are not guinea pigs.

anyone who attempt to use them as such in order to justify their religious positions should be severely punished God for their evil deeds.

you know i have posted the below video thousands time on this site, yet i can not help noticed many Christians who insist being gay is a choice to simply not address it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqc7iAPsCzU&playnext=1&list=PLDA35BAA722C2EA4D&feature=results_video

LionofJudahDK · Oct 7, 2012

revrobor said:
On the contrary. The world thinks homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle, homosexuals should be allowed to marry and raise children and that they should not be warned about their lifestyle's consequences. The Bible and I do not.

Yeah, sorry about that. I should have specified that my answer was to "grace", not you. My bad

Bethesda · Oct 7, 2012

Grace51 said:
well i see your point.

but compare gays with kkk?

i do not think they are in the same league.

neither do I - but the point I was making that, whilst I accept that many who say hate the sin not the sinner are sincere, I think that for a not insignificant number of Christians there is an underlying self righteous prejudice against the people too that is not too different to the homophobia of many non-Christians. We've seen in history how otherwise Godly people have been in situations where their prejudices show - Luther for example on the Jews (as said my personal difficult issue is dealing with people who are hard core racists) - of course thats because we are all works in progress as far as holiness etc is concerned. Such attitudes are not anyway confined to Christians, viz all the left/radical or what you will types who claim to love humanity but seem to have a great deal of difficulty loving their individual fellow citizens if they do not have the same enlightened views they have - my personal pet peeve being anyone who refers to other human beings as 'sheeple' - patronisingly arrogant or what. Reading Matthew 11. 18-19 the other day brought me back again to the point that Jesus went to where people were (resulting in him being called a friend of publicans and sinners by the religious folk and the authorities) rather than standing off from people and preaching at them without engaging with them as people - that doesn't of course mean he condoned certain behaviour (despite the attempts of people to imply - as they would today - that even just being there does)
Finally just as the Christian community is not a single body with a single voice, I think we have to be careful not to say 'the gay community do this or that' as that takes us back from dealing with human beings to entities and its much easier to characterise and stereotype entities (as people do re Radical Islam) - as there are of course gay people of all political and social persuasions and views - including to tie back into my earlier point, gay racists! What we often hear is the view point of particularly vocal groups.

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