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Jesus said (as recorded by Luke in that chapter) This isn't about salvation:
Luke 21:32 ~ "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?
Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”
The Jews were conquered by the Romans in 70 AD. Some of them were enslaved and used by the Romans for public works projects. Various other groups conquered Israel including the Muslims. In WW I Britain took Israel from the Turks. They allowed some Jewish immigration. In 1948 the Jews took Israel from the British. In 1950 the Jews allowed Jews to immigrate to Israel. Gentiles no longer control the place.
Jesus said (as recorded by Luke in that chapter) This isn't about salvation:
Luke 21:32 ~ "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The age of the gentiles trampling down Jerusalem Israel will continue on since it's beginning at the Babylonian captivity until the Second Coming of Jesus that brings in the Messianic Millennium. That is all depicted in Nebuchadnezzar's dream recorded in Daniel. Those events are also called 'the day of the Lord' which, according to the apostle Peter, also includes the cleansing destruction of the earth by fire.. which occurs at the same time as the Great White Throne Judgement. All being in heaven while the earth is undergoing that ordeal to prepare for transformation to a new heaven and a new earth.[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?
Luke 21:24 KJV: And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
This time of the Gentiles has not yet began.
Revelation 11:2 KJV: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
It's a period of 42 months in which Jerusalem is occupied by gentile forces given to Israel to help protect the Israeli government from its enemy neighbors.The occupying forces are overrun by a ten nation confederation of Muslim forces.(the beast).
Afterward the Lord comes and fight against those nations which came against Jerusalem.
We're mighty close... best be prepared..[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?
Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”
Ezekiel 12:22 "Son of man, what is this proverb that you have in the land of Israel: 'The days go by, and every vision fails'?
Ezekiel 12:23 Therefore tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: 'I will put an end to this proverb, and in Israel they will no longer recite it.' But say to them: 'The days are at hand when every vision will be fulfilled.
[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?
Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”
That's a great passage. But this one is also true.
18:22
KJ21
when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Saint Paul mentions in Hebrews 8
6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.
Why is prophetic accuracy something that only happened in the Old Testament? We have a better Covenant than they do.... Why is there so little accuracy.... It's almost like people realize that now we don't stone people anymore therefore they have Carte Blanche to prophesy all their fondest hopes and dreams.
They do not possess the old Promised Land. They have not come back in biblical obedience. This is all Dispy propaganda.
I thought you were talking about actual prophets in the Bible.
Im not sure who you are calling prophets now.
Not until after the testimony of the two witnesses in Jerusalem. 1260 days as spoken in Rev 11. Then the beast is in the world and those that took joy in the deaths of Gods 2 witnesses will fall to the lie of the beast and be condemned along with the beast. In that sense those people from all nations will be cut off because of unbelief and they refused to repent of their evil ways.[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?
Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”
Fair enough.
In the OP you quoted stuff from Lana Vassar and Church Pierce those are two people in the "prophetic movement" (they claim to be prophets and prophesy). A movement in the Charismatic movement that promotes modern day prophets in Christianity something that started with the "Later Rain" movement in Pentecostalism in the 1950s.
Apostolic-Prophetic Movement - Wikipedia
All I'm asking for is that if people claim to be prophets, and speak a modern "Thus sayeth the Lord" that they do so accurately etc. or at least don't make up excuses and rationalizations when X does not come to pass".
Here is an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
"Heavens and earth" is covenant language. I believe the New Heaven/New Earth began at the destruction of Jerusalem and the entire Sinai Judaism in 70 AD.PS,
If you believe Jesus was talking about the first century, what date do you believe the heavens and earth passed away?
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.
Or if you don't know that date then do you know the date Jesus came and raised the dead?
Luke 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
"Heavens and earth" is covenant language. I believe the New Heaven/New Earth began at the destruction of Jerusalem and the entire Sinai Judaism in 70 AD.
"The Gentiles trampling Jerusalem for 42 months" is what preceded that destruction.
Quoting Adam Maarschalk:
In early 68 AD Jesus ben Gamala, one of the former high priests, gave a speech in which he described what was happening to Jerusalem because of the Zealots:
“And this place, which is adored by the habitable world, and honored by such as only know it by report, as far as the ends of the earth, is trampled upon by these wild beasts born among ourselves” (Wars 4.4.3).
So, according to this testimony, it was the Zealots who trampled Jerusalem, and they had a reputation for behaving like wild beasts. In what sense were they “Gentiles,” though? Consider what [1] The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and [2] The Jewish Encyclopedia say about the use of the word “goy” in Scripture:
Source: “Gentiles,” The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1941); Volume 4, p. 533.
- “The Hebrew word goy (plural goyim) means ‘nation.’ In Biblical usage it is applied also to Israel: ‘Ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation’ (goy kadosh; Ex. 19:6).”
Source: “Gentile,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1905); Volume 5, p. 615.
- “In the Hebrew of the Bible ‘goi’ and its plural ‘goyyim’ originally meant ‘nation,’ and were applied both to Israelites and to non-Israelites (Gen. xii. 2, xvii. 20; Ex. xiii. 3, xxxii. 10; Deut. iv. 7; viii. 9, 14; Num. xiv. 12; Isa. i. 4, ix. 22; Jer. vii. 28).”
There were indeed multiple nations that trampled Jerusalem from the fall of 66 AD until the spring of 70 AD when the Romans were not in the city. Wikipedia gives this summary of those who fought the hardest against the Romans:
“During the Great Rebellion (66-70 CE) the Galileans and Idumeans were the most adamant fighters against Rome; they fought the Romans to the death when many Judeans were ready to accept peace terms.”The Gentiles Trampled Jerusalem for 42 Months (Revelation 11:1-2)
I don't believe the word "fire" is in reference to something the Romans said. I believe it's a reference to this passage from the prophecy of Jeremiah:So did "fire" come out of the Romans mouths to devour thier enemies?
Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.
I know "fire" is a common military term used by Gentiles but I was unaware the Romans used that term.
I don't believe the word "fire" is in reference to something the Romans said. I believe it's a reference to this passage from the prophecy of Jeremiah:
Because you speak this word, behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them” (Jeremiah 5:14).
I don't take that as literal. Prophetic language is often symbolic."fire" proceeds out of the mouths of the gentile witnesses who will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.
Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.
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