Has TD Jakes turned apostate in his beliefs and teachings?

[BlackJack77]

If this topic has already been brought up and discussed I apologize. It's just that I mentioned this in another thread as his name came up and I didn't want to derail it any further and offered to post support for the information I shared about TD Jakes having severely strayed far from the Word of Truth and that he is now preaching a gay condoning doctrine. He is preaching that Naomi and Ruth had a lesbian relationship as well as Jonathan and David etc...

He is also now preaching another gospel of salvation.
The cross of Christ is offensive to those who are perishing. TD Jakes was apparently ashamed of the cross and afraid of offending anyone with the truth of Christ's shed blood and the cross being the only bridge that God provided to close the gap between Him and man, that they might be saved.


Here is the youtube recording and here below that is the link that provides the transcripts from the program.

YouTube - TD JAKES INCLUSIONIST AGENDA

DOCTRINE MATTERS: T.D. Jakes and Joel Osteen - On Heaven

Here are links exposing his new homosex promoting doctrine

YouTube - TD JAKES ENDORSES THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA PT 1


T D Jakes’ Covenant Relationships — Changing His Beliefs on Homosexuality Apostate Evangelists & Teachers

TD Jakes becomes a conduit for false homosexual theology Gay Christian Movement Watch

There are more out there if you want me to provide them or
you can google them.


Disclaimer: I do not endorse every doctrine posted on these sites.


Contending for the faith,
Jack

 

[Allen1901]

I think You have to deny the divinity of Christ to be an apostate.

God Bless!

 

[mont974x4]

there are a lot of false teachers around. Some of them, are extremley popular. Pray for them, as the consequences for them will be severe. Pray they come to the fullness of truth and repent.

 

[ANM29]

Ok, I listened to the first one and I do not see anything off the wall he said. He said he is working with other 'faiths'. I don't think anything is wrong with that. He said that Christianity is right, but Jesus has 'other' sheep of the fold that have not come in yet..

I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all. He said is working together with others with the 'common' things we all have in common, and I believe that it has something to do with 'helps' or of that sort, he was not speaking of religious differences at all.

I get where he is coming from and is going with the heaven part as well.

I will listen to the second one.

 

[ANM29]

I have heard that second sermon in FULL before, as a matter of fact I use to have the CD disc.

He is not promoting homosexuality.

He is talking about how people can actually confuse a close relationship of the same sex with being homosexual. And how they can take what Ruth said to Naomi as something sexual or lesbian in nature.

He also speaks of this in another sermon he has about David and Jonathan...

 

[mont974x4]

they are not sheep if they are no in His fold yet. That is one step of the universalist false teaching.

 

[ANM29]

they are not sheep if they are no in His fold yet. That is one step of the universalist false teaching.

Another issue I don't plan to get into at all on this thread.

For one thing, Most are not able to understand how "Christian" Universalists view hell, lake of fire, and the judgment of God and how all of it all intertwined.

Perhaps he is, but that still is not what I got from what he was saying, it has nothing to do with a Universalistic approach at all from my view.

Then again, everything is perspective.

 

[He put me back together]

What you have posted here doesn't present any evidence at all that T.D. Jakes believes that there is another road to salvation other than Christ, or that he ever taught that Ruth and Naomi were lesbians.

There are a lot of things that are wrong with many televangelists today, but if you're going to accuse a man, do it right. Do it with real evidence, not jeering out-of-context snippets that don't say anything at all about what he said, and least of all websites written by other people based on those out-of-context snippets.

And for the record, I agree with the second short, decapitated cut. That is the peverse way that people in this society often view close relationships between two people of the same sex in the Bible. Whether the point that he was actually making leaned towards that of the homosexual agenda, I wouldn't know, because the cut suspiciously cuts him off before he is able to make it...and I frankly don't follow T.D. Jakes closely enough to know from which recording this was taken in order to find out.

 

[He put me back together]

I have heard that second sermon in FULL before, as a matter of fact I use to have the CD disc.

He is not promoting homosexuality.

He is talking about how people can actually confuse a close relationship of the same sex with being homosexual. And how they can take what Ruth said to Naomi as something sexual or lesbian in nature.

He also speaks of this in another sermon he has about David and Jonathan...

I don't know how the ignore feature works , but just in case you can read this, thanks for clearing up what I suspected. People do this all the time, on every side. They want to accuse a guy of something, so they run and snatch up something entirely out of context to try to meld his speech into something they can use against him. People might as well do audio doctoring--it's nearly the same thing.

 

[mont974x4]

There are sheep and there are goats. There is no "other sheep". If he is teaching that, then he is teaching an error.

 

[ANM29]

There are sheep and there are goats. There is no "other sheep". If he is teaching that, then he is teaching an error.

John 10:14-18
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."


Jesus said he had 'other sheep' that are not of 'this' pen yet.

This scripture is truly a matter of interpretation. And must be taken into context will other scripture.

 

[mont974x4]

John 10:14-18
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."


Jesus said he had 'other sheep' that are not of 'this' pen yet.

This scripture is truly a matter of interpretation. And must be taken into context will other scripture.

In a nutshell....that's been done through the cross and the grafting in of the Gentiles. As I said, there are two groups...saved and unsaved, sheep and goats, wheat and tares.

 

[ANM29]

In a nutshell....that's been done through the cross and the grafting in of the Gentiles. As I said, there are two groups...saved and unsaved, sheep and goats, wheat and tares.

Like I said it is a matter of interpretation.

The work of saving is 'finished', and there are those who have yet to believe it and receive it. The world is not over yet. We have been saved, are being saved, and will be saved.

 

[ANM29]

Oh, to answer the Op original question.

I don't think he has turned apostate. He has changed a bit in some ways as far as extravagance in my eyes along with many others..and I am not just speaking of TV evangelists, the Church in general in the West. He is a bit business centered more now than he use to be, but I still listen to him at times.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

John 10:14-18
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."


Jesus said he had 'other sheep' that are not of 'this' pen yet.

This scripture is truly a matter of interpretation. And must be taken into context will other scripture.

I've mentioned my buddy from work. He is from Haiti and has seen magic in operation as a child. He knows it to be real evil. When he read this quote before he told me he thinks it is reference to aliens from zeta reticuli or the like. I can only look at him and blink sometimes. Lizard creatures for Christ!

:o

But I love him. He reads the bible in english and doesnt really realize that it didnt originate that way but in Hebrew and Greek. I tell him that english is a pretty poor language for describing things but he takes it all at face value as a child.

"Thats what it said!". :o God Bless him. Like I said I love him and I know he is born again and my brother.

isnt every argument here on CF just variations of this same thing?

 

[imperfectchristian]

 

[imperfectchristian]

oh nevermind

 

[Supplanter]

hmmmmm . . . .

First let me just say, i love how all except that one dude is smiling in Twiggy's witch hunt picture. lol

Secondly, I think it seems fairly clear that Jakes was at the least trying to be very politically correct with his comments that seemed to imply pluralism, which I detest ministers who have such a huge following doing . . .well, any minister, but especially them because of their influence.

Thirdly, I hesitate to make judgements on the homosexual agenda part, because that one snippet that is being used over and over and out of context to leave us to infer what Jakes was taling about is not enough to condemn him on that point. Now, I will say that I think it was odd terminology to say that the statements were bordering on lesbianism, but the other quote that was somewhere in one of the articles only seemed to imply that, we should not be scared of haivng a deep friendship with the same-sex based on Christ, that we can have a deep and abiding love with the same-sex (again referrring to friendship) without it being something that is "homosexual" and thereby sinful in nature, which is fine. I can understand that friendships can be deep and not homosexual, but a lot of people have problems believing that.

However, if he really was promoting metro-sexualism in one of his books and using scripture to do it. Well, I've got a problem with that. I don't mind if a man has a manicure or waxes his chest (though I prefer a hairy chest ) or even has a facial and likes to be fashionably dressed. However, that has zilch to do with futhering the kingdom and there is nothing necessary about it, nor does it help you become more spiritually minded.

So, I would say that, I can come to nothing conclusive based merely on this that was presented, but I do think that there seem to be some issues here, and it is worth looking more closely at for myself anyway.

 

[ANM29]

I've mentioned my buddy from work. He is from Haiti and has seen magic in operation as a child. He knows it to be real evil. When he read this quote before he told me he thinks it is reference to aliens from zeta reticuli or the like. I can only look at him and blink sometimes. Lizard creatures for Christ!

:o

But I love him. He reads the bible in english and doesnt really realize that it didnt originate that way but in Hebrew and Greek. I tell him that english is a pretty poor language for describing things but he takes it all at face value as a child.

"Thats what it said!". :o God Bless him. Like I said I love him and I know he is born again and my brother.

isnt every argument here on CF just variations of this same thing?

Yes, just variations of it at CF and with Christians period. I think God purposed it that way with a greater reason in mind..I truly do. I don't think all the different beliefs right in Christianity is by any coincidence at all.

 

[Yodas_Prodigy]

I thought TD was a Oneness...