HARVARDS , Asch study

[Reneep]

Just saw a Instagram video on this subject that shook me up some ... it is the Longest running experiment at Harvard. Please investigate it yourself ... That video said everyone eventually everyone by the 6th study with the same question , gave in to what the others saw. And Ai search said 25 % did see and stood on what they saw. And 75% caved. I find it interesting that in the parable of the fields. Only 25% of the fields allowed the KINGDOM OF GOD and His seed seed to root there.
. I bet the professor's knew it all along, AND is that why WHY EVERYONE OUT OF UNIFORMITY GETS " free education " , well the emperor has no clothes, but the dead, unwise virgins , seems the filthy will conform to the preasure of men ideas and their craftiness ( devil was/ is crafty too )? and what can those effects mean at a site like this and at the so call " Christian " universities , Discuss ?

DID GOD PUT THAT iN US TO KEEP PEACE IN A FAMILY OR IS IT A PERVERSION BECAUSE OF THE FALL ? AND FEAR OF MAN WILL EVEN ALLOW MEN TO " SEE " LIES TO SURVIVE IN A WORLD OF LIARS ? is that why God demands we be not cowards, be not afraid, die to self... because taking that step to say what is true may feel like death to the fearful , to the coward , to the spiritually dead?

 

[com7fy8]

Yes, people can copy-cat.

If the ones tested were unbelievers, they possibly are of the same spirit as the ones telling them what they believed. So, they could therefore be easy to be fooled by liers of the same spirit.

But what about how liers of one political group can fool others in their group, while liers in an opposing group can fool their people with even exact opposite lies? Because each is interested in what he or she wants, and believes the one who tells them what they want to be true.

This works very well, too, for fooling somebody into marrying you.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Be able to make sure with God. And beware of ones who guarantee you what you want and say even nothing about what God wants.

 

[com7fy8]

DID GOD PUT THAT iN US TO KEEP PEACE IN A FAMILY

No, I would say.

But there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience", our Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. Satan's spirit works his children to be deceived.

OR IS IT A PERVERSION BECAUSE OF THE FALL ?

It is connected with the fall. In sin we can be tricked and used.

AND FEAR OF MAN WILL EVEN ALLOW MEN TO " SEE " LIES TO SURVIVE IN A WORLD OF LIARS ?

Yes, part of why people cooperate with lies can be in order to survive . . . even when they don't believe the liers. Of course, they could believe the lies that their fear is telling them: that they have to cooperate in order to survive.

is that why God demands we be not cowards, be not afraid, die to self... because taking that step to say what is true may feel like death to the fearful , to the coward , to the spiritually dead?

Yes, we need to die to self. But I would not say we need to say what certain people are promoting is the truth. I mean, for example, things which certain political activists are pushing to get attention . . . when our attention needs to be first to how we our own selves need correction.

 

[Reneep]

No, I would say.

But there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience", our Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. Satan's spirit works his children to be deceived.

It is connected with the fall. In sin we can be tricked and use

well I suspect every trait has a " good and evil " expression. That is the very nature of the tree Eve ate from. But like what is also true is that both good and evil can kill you. Only the tree of Life / Jesus saves ETERNALLY . even so even good is abused after the fall.But keeping peace in our homes is a good trait... Because sneaky snakes and rotten humanity use even good to destroy each other .


It just made me so sick that these universities know what they are doing to our children . But God won't be mocked as a man sows, he shall reap.


But I was thinking about sites like this one , where a huge purporation are barely believers and none of " those signs" follow any of them that "believe.". And nothing that is remotely related to the second chapter of Acts is happening around them or in them. BECAUSE THE SECOND CHAPTER OF ACTS was the promised perfect. that was Gods perfect and people never understood perfect life which is His will.. for the church, his churche / his body ..

But they think they are believers but what they are not is trusters. But there are more athiests, and agnostics and barely believers.. all with huge kingdoms of self , all seeking to decieve on these kinds of sites The believers / trusters need to pray for wisdom and the Holy Spirit's discernment. Because everything is more deceptive than we want to believe. Especially Christians, we want to trust and love, but reality is we have to be" wise as serpents innocent as doves" Is a big truth there. HARVARD PROFS KNOW WHAT PRESURE IT TAKES TO TURN A SOUL.
Into a liar. To even disceive ones self for fear of others oppinions.
POOr kids never saw it coming and never had a chance, not without the Holy Spirit really working in their hearts. And that aint even happening in the churches! How many Churches look like the second Chapter of Acts that you know of? I only know one in Missouri. That makes room for the Holy Spirit and tries of follow Him and works on teaching to make the church like the first disciples. Because that is exactly What Jesus told the church to do. He didn't say "make acknowledgers " Jesus said " make disciples". Disciples means more than just a belief.. the churches need discernment bad.

I guess seeing how deceptive mankind is just broke my heart.

 

[timf]

John 18:37b .Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

There is an internal configuration that makes one less responsive to the heard called being "of the truth"

Joh_14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

To get the "peace of the world" you have to conform. To have the peace of Christ is to transcend.

 

[com7fy8]

How many Churches look like the second Chapter of Acts that you know of?

That was while the church was young . . . not with mature believers with decades in the faith.

Paul gives what qualifies a man to "take care of" God's people >

1 Timothy 3:1-10.

 

[Reneep]

John 18:37b .Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

To have the peace of Christ is to transcend.

What do you mean by transcend ? I mean to transcend has every kind of meaning, though usually used by the new agers. To me His truth is about us putting down /away our own understanding, and walk in trust, even when we don't understand. " lean not on your own understanding but in all your ways acknowledge him.............. " and like in the second chapter of Acts not being so prideful as to not do what Father says, even if it bring accusation like it did to them, because we won't get out of this deal with our pride intact, and that is a fact ! No ! NO WAY THAT HAPPENS.

 

[timf]

We are all supposed to mature in our faith to become more like Jesus.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

This is a process of learning to walk by the Spirit rather than the flesh.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

If you read the description of the flesh and Spirit you begin to see a transition from selfishness to selflessness.

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

If you read the biblical definition of love (1Cor 13:4-7) it is pretty much selflessness. This is the condition where the peace of Christ can be found. When one is selfless, the chaos and even suffering of the world has less impact. One has come to a point where it does not matter so much. This is the true transcendence to which the new age people sseek but cannot find because they look everywhere except in Christ.

 

[Reneep]

We are all supposed to mature in our faith to become more like Jesus.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

This is a process of learning to walk by the Spirit rather than the flesh.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

If you read the description of the flesh and Spirit you begin to see a transition from selfishness to selflessness.

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

If you read the biblical definition of love (1Cor 13:4-7) it is pretty much selflessness. This is the condition where the peace of Christ can be found. When one is selfless, the chaos and even suffering of the world has less impact. One has come to a point where it does not matter so much. This is the true transcendence to which the new age people sseek but cannot find because they look everywhere except in Christ.

Wow ... right on there ! SO WOW!! ^^^ THAT IS NOT NEW AGE TRANSCENDENCE! THAT IS THE ONE THAT ONLY COMES WHEN WE FOLLOW HIM THROUGH THE TRAILS, THROUGH THE LESSONS, and THROUGH THE PAIN TO a cleansing renewel. Otherwise known as ' God' s spiritual boot camp" , closest thing to it, . I suspect Paul knew that camp and all the other disciples were up close and personal with that camp. I mean shadrach, Meschah and Abendago knew , Daniel knew that Babylon would not in a friendly place, before they willing let the officials throw them into the flames.

This really speaks to a subject i need to speak to someone else about next Sunday. Thanks Tim. I just wish there was a better way to "train them up " , the youth..before we send them into the lions dens , and snakes pits. To at least prepare them for those who seek to deceive them. Showing the poor kids that study may help to teach them the real game afoot.