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Hamas has fired over 450 rockets into Israel
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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 73938227" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>Sure, them...the people of Palestine, the people of Israel, and others. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What good would that do?</p><p></p><p>I get that you cannot stop them from forming....but that doesn't change that some are allies, some are enemies. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ohhh....land that doesn't <em><strong>belong</strong></em> to them. So we're talking about a legal claim to property?</p><p></p><p>What is the basis for the Palestinians "claim" to that land?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure you do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not remotely the same. Most violence that most people encounter isn't random and extreme. It's entirely avoidable. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What "fuel to the fire" are you talking about? Palestine gets smaller as each settlement is built. In 2015-2016...there were 1700 mortar attacks and 4800 rocket attacks on Israel. This time, only 400.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the current strategy is starving the fire of fuel.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you think we support them?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What fantasy world are you living in? You've got global climate change, a depletion of many natural resources , mass migration of the poor and uneducated....and you think the world is getting safer???</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let me know when Israel indiscriminately fires 4800 rockets at Palestinian civilians and we'll address this point. </p><p></p><p>Until then....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What circumstances are we talking about exactly?</p><p></p><p>There's no place left on this planet unpopulated. No easily inhabited places anyway. If you want to have a patch of land for yourself, you might have to fight for it. It's not my reasoning...it's reality. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A solution where they peacefully accept that every few years or so....someone they know will get their legs blown off in a random rocket attack???</p><p></p><p>I doubt it. </p><p></p><p>Put yourself in their position....imagine your neighbor, every few weeks, threw rocks through your window....stabbed your dog....blew up your water heater....threatened your family, etc.</p><p></p><p>You can't move and no one, not even the police, will do anything to stop it. I imagine you'd try to talk it over....but they believe you're on their property and want you gone. You can't move though. So you'd build a high fence, and when that doesn't work....you put guards on that fence....</p><p></p><p>Every once in awhile though, when nobody is looking, you can move that fence further and further into your neighbors' yard....eventually making his home smaller and smaller. </p><p></p><p>How much money would I have to pay you to just ignore your neighbors' attacks? How much to stop moving your fence?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why send money to Guatemala when their population is migrating here? Why send it anywhere at all?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry....which problem? Apartheid?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/07/radical-opposition-party-advocating-seizure-white-owned-farms/amp/" target="_blank">Radical opposition party advocating seizure of white-owned farms set to surge in South Africa's election</a></p><p></p><p>"<em>Its leader Julius Malema frequently indulges in race-baiting rhetoric to advance his cause, once declaring that “<strong>we are not calling for the slaughtering of white people — at least for now</strong>”.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>That a party whose red-bereted followers stage violent protests, ransack shops and threaten journalists is gaining such traction speaks volumes about the scale of disillusionment in South Africa 25 years after the end of white rule</em>."</p><p></p><p>Yeah....they're doing great. What a model of working together. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>South Africa is on the verge of falling apart.</p><p></p><p>Great example.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 73938227, member: 302807"] Sure, them...the people of Palestine, the people of Israel, and others. What good would that do? I get that you cannot stop them from forming....but that doesn't change that some are allies, some are enemies. Ohhh....land that doesn't [I][B]belong[/B][/I] to them. So we're talking about a legal claim to property? What is the basis for the Palestinians "claim" to that land? Sure you do. Not remotely the same. Most violence that most people encounter isn't random and extreme. It's entirely avoidable. What "fuel to the fire" are you talking about? Palestine gets smaller as each settlement is built. In 2015-2016...there were 1700 mortar attacks and 4800 rocket attacks on Israel. This time, only 400. I'd say the current strategy is starving the fire of fuel. Why do you think we support them? What fantasy world are you living in? You've got global climate change, a depletion of many natural resources , mass migration of the poor and uneducated....and you think the world is getting safer??? Let me know when Israel indiscriminately fires 4800 rockets at Palestinian civilians and we'll address this point. Until then.... What circumstances are we talking about exactly? There's no place left on this planet unpopulated. No easily inhabited places anyway. If you want to have a patch of land for yourself, you might have to fight for it. It's not my reasoning...it's reality. A solution where they peacefully accept that every few years or so....someone they know will get their legs blown off in a random rocket attack??? I doubt it. Put yourself in their position....imagine your neighbor, every few weeks, threw rocks through your window....stabbed your dog....blew up your water heater....threatened your family, etc. You can't move and no one, not even the police, will do anything to stop it. I imagine you'd try to talk it over....but they believe you're on their property and want you gone. You can't move though. So you'd build a high fence, and when that doesn't work....you put guards on that fence.... Every once in awhile though, when nobody is looking, you can move that fence further and further into your neighbors' yard....eventually making his home smaller and smaller. How much money would I have to pay you to just ignore your neighbors' attacks? How much to stop moving your fence? Why send money to Guatemala when their population is migrating here? Why send it anywhere at all? Sorry....which problem? Apartheid? [URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/07/radical-opposition-party-advocating-seizure-white-owned-farms/amp/"]Radical opposition party advocating seizure of white-owned farms set to surge in South Africa's election[/URL] "[I]Its leader Julius Malema frequently indulges in race-baiting rhetoric to advance his cause, once declaring that “[B]we are not calling for the slaughtering of white people — at least for now[/B]”. That a party whose red-bereted followers stage violent protests, ransack shops and threaten journalists is gaining such traction speaks volumes about the scale of disillusionment in South Africa 25 years after the end of white rule[/I]." Yeah....they're doing great. What a model of working together. South Africa is on the verge of falling apart. Great example. [/QUOTE]
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