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<blockquote data-quote="Michael" data-source="post: 73938118" data-attributes="member: 627"><p>Sure, but in this case he was a Zionist zealot who was hell bent on making sure there would be no two state solution and he succeeded with the help of Netanyahu.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While you insist on twisting my statements out of context, you apparently missed the part where I'd cut them *both* off, not just one side, and you missed the part where I chastised *all* theocracies in general, not just "Jewish" ones. I can't help the fact that people want to establish theocracies, but I can choose not to support them with my tax dollars while they shoot at each other.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's an absurd justification for taking land that doesn't belong to them. Why make things worse by stealing more land and pouring more fuel on the fire? How does that resolve anything? Why not build on their *own* side of the green line?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't stop people from killing each other, but I have no rational reason to give them my money so they can buy more weapons to kill each other more efficiently! Holy cow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We all live in fear of violence, and we are all at threat of violence, if only violence within our local communities. Look at all the school shootings we have endured here in the US. We learn to cope. Building settlements on the wrong side of the green line isn't quiet, or morally palatable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you think adding fuel to the fire is a rational "solution" to the problem? Why can't they just build on their own side of the green line?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fine then. I shouldn't have to support them anymore with my tax dollars so they can continue to thumb their noses at the UN.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Israel has nukes. The threat from foreign countries isn't that great anymore. If you look at the number of Palestinians killed and displaced compared to the number of Israelis, it's not even close. The Palestinians have born the brunt of the violence. You act like only Israelis live under threat. That's not the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And Israel will be exposed and diminished for it's violence. You wouldn't have advocated that the white population of South Africa commit wholesale genocide against all the black population simply to protect themselves from violence by the black population would you? Your reasoning is atrocious IMO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cutting them off from *billions* of dollars of revenue would have exactly the same effect of cutting my kid's allowance. They'd figure out a solution a lot faster if we cut them off until they got the job done.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but I'm not sending huge amounts of my tax dollars every single year to support North Korea. Why should I support Israel when they violated the non proliferation agreement?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really . Look at South Africa. They found a relatively non violent solution to their problem. Meanwhile look at Israel today. Both sides are still killing each other with weapons of mass destruction and military hardware galore, *decades* after S. Africa found peace. Violence simply begets more violence. Peace requires sacrifice. I doubt that South Africa would have worked out it's problems had the world not cut them off financially.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael, post: 73938118, member: 627"] Sure, but in this case he was a Zionist zealot who was hell bent on making sure there would be no two state solution and he succeeded with the help of Netanyahu. While you insist on twisting my statements out of context, you apparently missed the part where I'd cut them *both* off, not just one side, and you missed the part where I chastised *all* theocracies in general, not just "Jewish" ones. I can't help the fact that people want to establish theocracies, but I can choose not to support them with my tax dollars while they shoot at each other. That's an absurd justification for taking land that doesn't belong to them. Why make things worse by stealing more land and pouring more fuel on the fire? How does that resolve anything? Why not build on their *own* side of the green line? I can't stop people from killing each other, but I have no rational reason to give them my money so they can buy more weapons to kill each other more efficiently! Holy cow. We all live in fear of violence, and we are all at threat of violence, if only violence within our local communities. Look at all the school shootings we have endured here in the US. We learn to cope. Building settlements on the wrong side of the green line isn't quiet, or morally palatable. So you think adding fuel to the fire is a rational "solution" to the problem? Why can't they just build on their own side of the green line? Fine then. I shouldn't have to support them anymore with my tax dollars so they can continue to thumb their noses at the UN. Israel has nukes. The threat from foreign countries isn't that great anymore. If you look at the number of Palestinians killed and displaced compared to the number of Israelis, it's not even close. The Palestinians have born the brunt of the violence. You act like only Israelis live under threat. That's not the case. And Israel will be exposed and diminished for it's violence. You wouldn't have advocated that the white population of South Africa commit wholesale genocide against all the black population simply to protect themselves from violence by the black population would you? Your reasoning is atrocious IMO. Cutting them off from *billions* of dollars of revenue would have exactly the same effect of cutting my kid's allowance. They'd figure out a solution a lot faster if we cut them off until they got the job done. True, but I'm not sending huge amounts of my tax dollars every single year to support North Korea. Why should I support Israel when they violated the non proliferation agreement? Not really . Look at South Africa. They found a relatively non violent solution to their problem. Meanwhile look at Israel today. Both sides are still killing each other with weapons of mass destruction and military hardware galore, *decades* after S. Africa found peace. Violence simply begets more violence. Peace requires sacrifice. I doubt that South Africa would have worked out it's problems had the world not cut them off financially. [/QUOTE]
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