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From the opposite side of the fence, I could say the same thing.I come from a culture that is very 'anti' gun. As a result, my opinions have been formed along the same vein.
I do not understand the part of American culture that allows the right to bear arms. I do not agree with it, and I do not see a logical rationale for it, sorry to say.
I do not see this being a 'Christian' issue at all - it's just something I personally disagree with. Again, due to my cultural upbringing, I find the mentality in America with regards to guns incomprehensible.
But that's me...
Sasch
That's what I've been saying all along!The idiots and the criminals are always going to have guns, no matter what laws or regulations are made anywhere. They tried prohibition too and bootlegging got worse.
Plus, it's the law-abiding citizens that get screwed by the gun laws. Criminals are going to have them and you won't....hmmm....not a good combination.
You sound like my BF's brother!The one thing that sucks about my .45 is the lack of ammo capacity compared to my .40.
16 rounds = more suppressive fire
Yep...mostly definately sound alike..and here I though Phil was one-of-a-kind too..
But of course current (native) military power is much stronger then civilians with guns.The British were oppressors here, and one of the many things they forbade was certain kinds of guns, so that the people could not rise up against them. The Bill of Rights and the whole Constitution for that matter was our way of saying "never again" to a government oppressing its people. Part of that is allowing the people to keep and bear arms.
It seems that Americans are taught from a young age not to trust other human beings. you must arm yourselves! otherwise the bad people will come and get you!
I'm convinced that even the pro gun groups know that the widespread ownership of guns by civilians is causing much death and grief, but they see the price against society and humanity as being an acceptable price for their own comfort and security. A handgun (civilian use) is the ultimate security blanket. They are for the insecure.
Here are the facts........
"A few months ago the the Australian Bureau of Statistics revealed that
the total number of gun deaths in Australia for year 2003, was 290.
This figure shows that there has been a great reduction in yearly gun
deaths since governments started to introduce stricter gun laws a
decade and a half ago.
The total gun death figure of 290 compares most favourably with the
figures of the 1970's and 1980's when 700 was a typical approx. figure.
Thus we are witnessing the fact that because of the steady increase in
gun controls over 400 fewer Australian die from gun wounds each year
compared with two decades ago. "
"
Australia has a population of about 20 million so about 1 in 69,000 got killed in 2003 by a gun. 54 people got killed by the 'bad people' which is one in 1 in 370,000. now lets take a look at 'the land of the free'
- By Category:
- Accident 40
- Suicide 193
- Homicide 54
- Legal etc. 3 "
"FACT:In 2003 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,136 gun deaths in the U.S:
- 16,907 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths),
- 11,920 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
- 730 unintentional shootings (2% of all U.S gun deaths),
- 347 from legal intervention and 232 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2006"
there's what, 290million in america? something like that. 290,000,000 devided by 30,136 - about 1 in 9,600 americans got killed by a gun (i'm actually surprised how low that is, i thought it would be higher) 11,920 got shot by the 'bad guys' which is one in about 24,500 get killed by a 'bad guy'.
you're about FIFTEEN TIMES more likely to get shot by the bad people living in America than you are in Australia. why?
some more fun facts..........
FACT: [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:</B>[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
(*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).[/FONT][/SIZE]
- 373 people in Germany
- 151 people in Canada
- 57 people in Australia
- 19 people in Japan
- 54 people in England and Wales, and
- 11,789 people in the United States
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]FACT: [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]FACT: Every two years more Americans die from firearm injuries than the total number of American soldiers killed during the 8-year Vietnam War. In 2003, the total number of people killed by guns in the United States was 30,136. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Based on data from CDC National Center for Health Statistics WISQARS online data collection system, 2006.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]FACT: [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present. [/SIZE][/FONT]-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472)
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But of course current (native) military power is much stronger then civilians with guns.
First you have to answer who is the native military power in Iraq. Before the war on Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power, only external military force (i.e. America) could change that.Really?
Look at Iraq then.
wish i could rep ya for that oneI am pleasantly surprised at the number of people who posted on this side of the debate. I thought I was alone over here.
I personally think that crime would take an interesting turn if more people were armed....who would rob a bank with armed tellers and any number of armed citizens inside? Who would carjack you? And rape? It would be russian rulet for the criminal.
The idiots and the criminals are always going to have guns, no matter what laws or regulations are made anywhere. They tried prohibition too and bootlegging got worse.
Plus, it's the law-abiding citizens that get screwed by the gun laws. Criminals are going to have them and you won't....hmmm....not a good combination.
Tell you what, law or no law, someone threatens myself or a loved one and my .45 is coming out.
First you have to answer who is the native military power in Iraq. Before the war on Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power, only external military force (i.e. America) could change that.
I was specifically talking about America soil and American military with the previous post.
Dictonary.com
Bascially the ability to win wartime objectives.
That's my hubbyIf i could stand the weight all day i would just walk around in full gear with my m4 and 92 and all the ammo i could carry .. like you said nothing wrong with suppressive fire
If i could stand the weight all day i would just walk around in full gear with my m4 and 92 and all the ammo i could carry .. like you said nothing wrong with suppressive fire
Tuffguy said:FACT: There was a surge of violent gun crime when Australia started banning handguns.
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