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"Lies" sounds intentional. Perhaps most error in the church is a result of echoing that which is wrong but with sincerity and conviction.
Two useful tools to use when presented with something is to ask "how" and "why". When applied to something like the theory of evolution, one might has how could nothing explode and become everything and why would it organize itself into people.
A key to discernment id to constantly be asking if something could be true.
Two useful tools to use when presented with something is to ask "how" and "why". When applied to something like the theory of evolution, one might has how could nothing explode and become everything and why would it organize itself into people.
A key to discernment id to constantly be asking if something could be true.
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Some lies may be unintentional, I agree, but from my many years of experience (I am 75 yrs old), which includes many years working in these "churches" turned into businesses, in many ministry areas, and working as a church planter with my husband twice, and then going through the training and then listening to what many of these pastors are teaching, I can assure you that the lies are intentional high up, for sure, but then they are being accepted by people who will not even consider that they might be believing the lies and who will close their ears to hearing the truth. And the way that you know what are lies and what is truth is to compare what is being taught against the Scriptures taught in their appropriate context, for many of the lies stem from Scriptures taught outside their context and twisted to say what they do not say in context.
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It is possible to be too defensive . . . depending on man by depending on our own *selves'* ability to use the scripture to judge who is lying. First, our attention needs to be to God, then, and submitting to how He rules us in His own peace >
"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
He will guide us reliably, according to all He knows is true.
"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
He will guide us reliably, according to all He knows is true.
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The Scriptures teach us to test everything and everyone against the truth of the Scriptures (in context) so that we discern truth from lies. So if we are doing that, in practice, we should be able to spot a lie from the truth if it is a lie against the truth of Scripture. If we are in a close relationship with someone who is a compulsive liar, like a family member, for example, and we have seen their patterns, we should be able to discern when they are lying and yet we cannot make accusations without proof.
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Lying is a problem for the lier. The lier is not loving the someone, if the lier wants the person to be easy to fool.
Plus, the lier might know that, if the person can be fooled by the lier, then some other con artist might be able to come along and also fool the person and take the person away from the lier. And so there can be no end for the lier to be suspicious and jealous, on and on feeling he or she has to control and protect the one who is being fooled. There can be endless accusations and worrying . . . things exposed by scripture as being anti-love.
And so the deceiver can not discover how to have a real love and trust relationship.
And you might be able to detect signs of how someone can not function in a genuine love relationship . . . even when you might not know for sure if the deceiver is lying or not.
A lier can use other ways to try to control people and use them. But it is written >
"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
A deceiver can give oneself away, by trying to lord it over others, not only using lying but also control, intimidation, inappropriate charm, arguing, complaining, unforgiveness, having a way of calling much attention to oneself instead of to Jesus.
And these ways of relating are clearly unscriptural and anti-love.
Plus, the lier might know that, if the person can be fooled by the lier, then some other con artist might be able to come along and also fool the person and take the person away from the lier. And so there can be no end for the lier to be suspicious and jealous, on and on feeling he or she has to control and protect the one who is being fooled. There can be endless accusations and worrying . . . things exposed by scripture as being anti-love.
And so the deceiver can not discover how to have a real love and trust relationship.
And you might be able to detect signs of how someone can not function in a genuine love relationship . . . even when you might not know for sure if the deceiver is lying or not.
A lier can use other ways to try to control people and use them. But it is written >
"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
A deceiver can give oneself away, by trying to lord it over others, not only using lying but also control, intimidation, inappropriate charm, arguing, complaining, unforgiveness, having a way of calling much attention to oneself instead of to Jesus.
And these ways of relating are clearly unscriptural and anti-love.
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