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Grace versus Works

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came across a post on one of the forums which the poster had as 'We are saved by Grace through Faith' which I have to share.

'We are not saved by works, but we are justified by them. Works shows who belongs to Jesus. Faith saves us, but works justifies us. Without works, faith is dead. Our good works proves our faith, loyalty, and commitment to Jesus Christ because we are devoted to him, and we want to glorify him in all that we do. We can't become part of the body of Christ if we choose not to serve him, to teach, to prophecy, to help others, to give to the poor, and etc.

(James 2:17) So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

It was God's grace who gave us the Holy Spirit. It was God's grace who forgaved us for our sins/transgressions. It was God's grace who saw us for our good works and good deeds. Because of God's grace, we as believers believed in him and have faith in him. If we obey the law, than his love is made perfect in us. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.

We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?

Through observing the law, no one can be saved, but through obeying the law, our souls will be saved. The law was giving to show mankind that there is sin presented within each and every one of us. Apart from the law/Keeping the Law is like saying that we are not saved by the good deeds we do, or by not obeying the law, but by God's mercy and grace alone.(Romans 10:3) JESUS SAY'S: "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness."

READ THIS! Galatians 3:10-12 Those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say,“Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say,“It is through faith that a righteous person has life.” This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says,“It is through obeying the law that a person has life.”

In that verse, it states that "those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse." It means that if you keep the law, and go apart from the law, than you are under his curse. Like for example. If you go to school so you can learn about the law, and you not using the law to obey the law, but to only remember the law, than that's being apart from the law. You're trying to keep the law rather then to obey the law, and that is an abomination to God. God wants us to Obey the law and not to use the law for teaching purposes. In reality, no one can't remember every single law in the bible, because not all people commit every sins in the law or commit the same exact sins in the law.
1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

The only way to know that you're committing a sin is if you're going against the law. God made every single one of us out of his image. He set the laws in our hearts so that when we do sin, we will know which sins we are committing because you will feel that conviction from the Holy Spirit whenever we are about to sin. If we ignore the feeling of conviction, than we will cause ourselves to sin. Every sin comes with consequenses. Every sinner who commits a sin will eventually struggle in their sin and every sinner who commits a sin will eventually struggle within their relationships/marriages/friend ships, etc. When someone sins against us/when someone trespass against us, we tend to feel doubt, disbelief, and distrust towards that person that we once had hopes for. Without loyalty, faithfulness, and respect for each other, there is no true foundation or true love there. That is why sinners who commit sin will be condemned.
JESUS SAYS: John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments."

Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; It is a gift of God; not as a result of WORKS, so that no one may BOAST." God is clearly telling us here that we cannot save ourselves and that no amount of works can save us, but by trusting God alone without having to earn God's trust first, we can be saved through accepting him as our Lord and Savior, and by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, we can be made right with God through regeneration/transformation. By renewing of your mind, you will be able to resist, discern, rebuke/reprove, and correct. Repentance and being baptized is the first step into receiving the Holy Spirit. By faith, we follow his commandments. By works, we build up the body of Christ when we help other's come to Christ.
(2 Corinthians 12:6) Even if we should choose to boast, we would not be a fool, because we would be speaking the truth. But we refrain, so that no one will think more of us than is warranted by what we do or say.

In conclusion: Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God, while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed. He gave his life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us his very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds.
 
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We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?
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Red, as you know, this is a very popular cliché in Laodicea. I have heard it so many times in the last 35 years! It is our response to those who accuse us of believing in salvation by works especially because we believe in keeping the Sabbath.

"We only work because we are saved."

Not because we are saved but because we are resting in the merits of the Saviour and the grace of the Holy Spirit is doing the work. We should not say it is because we are saved for not one of us will be able to say "I am saved" until we walk through the everlasting gates into the City of God.

"No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come and we enter in through the gates into the City. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say--'I am saved.'" 1 S.M.314 bottom of page.

Then, that being the case, how can anyone say, "I am doing the works because I am saved?"

Good works are the fruit of faith, the fruit of the faith that lays right hold upon the merits of the blood that is of value beyond estimate because it was the life of God in His Son, but these good works that the grace of the Holy Spirit enables us to do do not act a part in the salvation of the soul or in merit.

If we enterain the thought that good works act a part in the salvation of the soul, we will be accused of "treason" at the bar of God's tribunal.

"Faith and works go hand in hand; they act harmoniously in the work of overcoming. Works without faith are dead, and faith without works is dead. WORKS WILL NEVER SAVE US; it is the MERIT of Christ that will AVAIL in our behalf." Faith & Works,48.

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We do not work to be saved. We only work because we are saved. Do you understand?
___________

Red, as you know, this is a very popular cliché in Laodicea. I have heard it so many times in the last 35 years! It is our response to those who accuse us of believing in salvation by works especially because we believe in keeping the Sabbath.

"We only work because we are saved."

Not because we are saved but because we are resting in the merits of the Saviour and the grace of the Holy Spirit is doing the work. We should not say it is because we are saved for not one of us will be able to say "I am saved" until we walk through the everlasting gates into the City of God.

"No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come and we enter in through the gates into the City. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say--'I am saved.'" 1 S.M.314 bottom of page.

Then, that being the case, how can anyone say, "I am doing the works because I am saved?"

Good works are the fruit of faith, the fruit of the faith that lays right hold upon the merits of the blood that is of value beyond estimate because it was the life of God in His Son, but these good works that the grace of the Holy Spirit enables us to do do not act a part in the salvation of the soul or in merit.

If we enterain the thoughts that good works act a part in the salvation of the soul, we will be accused of "treason" at the bar of God's tribunal.

"Faith and works go hand in hand; they act harmoniously in the work of overcoming. Works without faith are dead, and faith without works is dead. WORKS WILL NEVER SAVE US; it is the MERIT of Christ that will AVAIL in our behalf." Faith & Works,48.

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You dont even know what Laodicea is by the looks of your post here. I know you think you do; but if you did, you would have used your Bible first and foremost here to make such serious charges against a church. Using Ellen White out of context, and to determine Adventist doctrine is against everything the church teaches, and against her very own counsel which she herself warns us to not do.
 
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came across a post on one of the forums which the poster had as 'We are saved by Grace through Faith' which I have to share.

'We are not saved by works, but we are justified by them. Works shows who belongs to Jesus. Faith saves us, but works justifies us.
Did those people lose their Bibles too? Where is this in the Bible?
 
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Overall, I like what the poster was trying to say. Truly, faith without works is dead. But the use of the phrase being justified by works irks me since that phrase is not used in the Bible. Rather, we are justified by faith...but genuine faith inevitably leads to works. But how would the works be the justification if the justification already came through faith, which Scripture clearly says it does?
 
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Overall, I like what the poster was trying to say. Truly, faith without works is dead. But the use of the phrase being justified by works irks me since that phrase is not used in the Bible. Rather, we are justified by faith...but genuine faith inevitably leads to works. But how would the works be the justification if the justification already came through faith, which Scripture clearly says it does?


We are saved by works of faith. When we read Romans 4, it explains this.

Romans 4
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I agree with this scripture. The problem with certain doctrine is they ignore verse 1 of Romans 4.

Romans 4:1
1 WHAT shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

Notice Paul starts out as pertaining to the flesh. Paul is referring to works according to flesh. He is not against works of faith.
Now let's see where Paul is referring to works of faith.
Read Romans 4:12.

Romans 4:12
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Paul explains that we are to walk on the steps of faith. Walking in the steps is an action meaning its a work.
Therefore Abraham had works of faith. He did not have works of the flesh.:preach:

Praise the Lord!
 
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"We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God prepared before hand that we should walk in them." Eph.2:10.

So it is clear that good works are the fruit of faith in the merits of Christ but these good works which are wrought by the grace of the Holy Spirit in and through us do not act a part in the salvation of the soul or in merit.

They don't because we are accepted through the merits of Christ alone.

Good works will be rewarded but in and of themselves they have no merit toward our salvation.

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