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DaRev

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I could see maybe him doing it if they asked all the available pastors around to come and they all said no



Augsburg Confession - Article XIV: Of Ecclesiastical Order. said:
Of Ecclesiastical Order they teach that no one should publicly teach in the Church or administer the Sacraments unless he be regularly called.

The "regular call" refers to those who are called and ordained acording to the practice of the Church. The laity should not administer the Sacraments because they have not been authorized to do so. If your congregation president insists on doing this, your church will be in conflict with the Confessions and the practice of the LCMS. If I were you and this goes through, I would contact both the circuit counsellor and the district president and tell them your concerns and that you will not participate in that congregation if they go against the teachings of the Lutheran Church.
 
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I didn't get to go to church yesterday, decided to go to a VBS meeting for a little while this morning. I asked one lady if she knew who the next speaker was said she didn't know, kind of said something that I wouldn't mind some of the older pastors coming. She said maybe they will since they had to follow LCMS rules. The president of the church did the service yesterday, no communion.
 
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That's unbelievable and unfortunate for the congregation. Surely, someone else will also voice their concerns and the error with such a practice before it happens or do they care about being part of the synod, really?
 
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I had something similar happen when I was still at my husband's parish. Here is some information I pulled out of a CTCR document then that may be of value to you. (I haven't followed this entire thread and apologize if someone else has brought this up earlier.)



 
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I've been following this and find a few things very worrysome.


First; the intention of this congregational president insisting on giving communion no matter what.


Second; this is not only a sure sign of a complete lack of respect for the Euchrist, but also signs of meglomania on this CPs part.

Writing to the Circuit Counselor and District President sounds like the right thing to do. Even if you leave the congregation, this needs to be done.
 
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Writing to the Circuit Counselor and District President sounds like the right thing to do. Even if you leave the congregation, this needs to be done.

I concur. Even if you do leave the congregation, it would be a good idea to write to the circuit counselor and DP and let them know your disdain and your reason for leaving.
If there are others in the congregation who feel as you do, perhaps they could add their signatures to the letter.
 
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He just got finished with his Lay studies and he said they told them there that he could give communion.

The document that you linked makes it very clear that only in extra-ordinary conditions may one who is not called and ordianed perform the functions of the pastoral office. I do not believe that the situation in your congregation fits with extra-ordinary circumstances, especially if there are retired pastors available to handle the vacancy. What your congregation president is doing goes against the clear practice and doctrine of the synod.

I doubt that his "lay studies" automatically makes him a licensed deacon with the synod. If this is indeed the case, then I have a real issue with this.
 
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I know there are about 5 retired pastors in the area. These people don't want old ones. I don't feel he's right.

Is your congregation actively seeking to call another pastor? If so, the "old ones" as they call them would only be there temporarily.

They could always call one from the seminary.
 
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Yes they started with the call process. One lady was pitching a fit right after the pastor said he was leaving saying she didn't want any of the pastors around here coming to the services. Said she didn't like them. I told her it only be temporary.
 
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Yes they started with the call process. One lady was pitching a fit right after the pastor said he was leaving saying she didn't want any of the pastors around here coming to the services. Said she didn't like them. I told her it only be temporary.

Sounds like she needs to be reminded what going to church is all about. It's not about the popularity of the pastor. (I have a few folks here that need to be reminded of that as well.)
 
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He just got finished with his Lay studies and he said they told them there that he could give communion.

Yes, I was told the same thing when I was in the program...of course, being a woman I was told I would not be able to administer the sacrament (duh!) but my male counterparts in the program were told they could.
 
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Yes, I was told the same thing when I was in the program...of course, being a woman I was told I would not be able to administer the sacrament (duh!) but my male counterparts in the program were told they could.


My question would be: Who told him that he could do this now that he finished his studies?

Personally if I were you I would abstain from communion on the grounds that he is not truly qualified.

This is grounds for "In statu confessionis" which means that you let him know why you abstained so that he understands your position.
 
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