Gospel of Christ Not Possible in TE Doctrine?

yeshuasavedme · Jan 4, 2009

Assyrian said:
Just because they rejected Jesus doesn't mean they rejected the oracles of God which God had entrusted to them Rom 3:2. If they could not see what the scriptures said, why would they fell a need to exclude these scriptures from their canon? How could these Rabbis continue to see themselves as guardians of God's word if the rejected the books they and their forefathers knew were God's inspired word? It doesn't make sense.

Why does it not make sense that they would reject books which are clearly teaching the Deity of the Son of Man, when they had rejected the Son of Man Himself?
Look at this Hebrews' quotation of the Septuagint;

Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,but a body hast thou prepared me:

Who took the underlined portion out of the Hebrew text? It obviously was there when the Septuagint was translated before Jesus came, or else the translators would not have added it. It obviously speaks of the New Man body of human being flesh prepared in the womb of the virgin for the incarnation of the Living Spirit.

The Essenes certainly believed Jubilees to be Scripture, just as Peter did believe that Jubilees was "inspired by God and so Peter followed the command of Jubilees 22:16-18 which I posted. You asked for it and I posted it and it is certainly plain that Peter believed it to be "Scripture", jsut as the Essenes did.

Also, in the DSS were copies of Tobit and the Wisdom of Jesus-Sirach, and others of the books included in the Septuagint and in the 1611 Kings James translation and in the first Geneva Bible.

http://faculty.bbc.edu/ggromacki/deadseascrolls/bible.htm#APOCRYPHAANDPSEUDEPIGRAPHA

Tobit is one of three deuterocanonical books (that is from the second canon or Apocrypha) that were found in the Qumran Caves. The other two are Ben Sira (also known as Sirach or Ecclesiasticus) and the Epistle of Jeremiah. These three books, although not recognized as authoritative by Protestant or Jewish communities, are recognized as canonical (sacred Scripture) by the Roman Catholic Church.
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Several factors lead to the conclusion that Jubilees was viewed and used as Scripture by the Qumran community. First, a work called 4Qtext with a Citation of Jubilees (4Q228) seems to denote Jubilees by its Hebrew title “The Division of the Times” and later introduces the first word of the title by a citation formula, “For thus it is written in the Divisions of the Times” (fr. 1 i. 9). Second, Jubilees claims to be divine revelation in that its contents are given by an angel of God (Jub.1:26-29; 2:1) and have been inscribed on heavenly tablets (Jub.3:10, 31). Third, the fact that Jubilees is represented by such a large number of manuscripts shows that it was extensively used at Qumran, which points to its popularity and more likely authoritative status. Jubilees is found in about 15 scrolls. Fourth, Jubilees is quoted in some of the nonbiblical scrolls, which indicates its authoritative status to the authors of such texts. For example, the Damascus Document 16:2-4 cites Jubilees as the source of information concerning the times when Israel would be blind to the Law of Moses, while CD 10:7-10 may well be based on Jubilees 23:11, which refers to people’s loss of knowledge in their old age.

Assyrian said:
No sorry, the codexes of the Septuagint which contain the apocrypha date from about the 4th century. The Septuagint was originally just the Pentateuch, with other books of the Tanack translated later. It was only later when the books of the bible were combined into a single volume that we have the deuterocanonical books (ie 'the second canon', aka the apocrypha) being bound together in a single book along with the first canon of Law, Prophets and Psalms. We have no evidence Jesus the apostles or any Jewish rabbis ever considered the apocrypha scripture.

Being considered Scripture and translated and used by the Greek speaking Jews before Jesus came in flesh didn't mean that they must all be in one volume. No one had to wait for the 4th century to see what the Holy Spirit "inspired". We look back and are so silly as to think that there just was no understanding of what was "inspired" in the established Church or in Jewish minds, before certain men in certain places "decided" what God wanted everyone to believe about His "inspired" books. -and who follows the lists they made, anyway? Even that has changed over time. The first KJV and Geneva Bibles had the apocrypha -where'd they go? Who took them out, and when, and why? Even the Roman Catholic Church has changed its mind and deleted some and called others "inspired" for sure, and not "hidden".

As I showed above, Peter believed Jubilees to be Scripture just as the Essenes did, so obviously there were many more Jews before Jesus and at His time of coming in flesh who also believed Jubilees to be Scripture, or inspired writings.

Jesus and the NT authors also believed 1 Enoch to be inspired, and the author of Hebrews and Paul believed Jasher as absolute truth, as I do. Abraham believed Enoch to be inspired truth and read Enoch to the Pharaoh's men when they returned Sarai to him and sought to learn from Abram righteousness and wisdom, as the Genesis Apocryphon in the DSS reports.

I do not say there has been no corruption of texts because even the OT and NT texts are not pure in and of themselves from little scribal mistakes, but in nothing do they fall short on the Message of Christ, as Enoch does not. Jasher fills in all the things that Moses redacted from the Genesis -Joshua accounts and answers many questions that one is left with when using only the Genesis -Joshua accounts. Jasher correlates beautifully with Genesis -Joshua.

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yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

Assyrian said:
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The Jews recognised a lot of OT characters as prophets who were not necessarily called prophet in the OT or had a specific prophecy recorded.

If they were a true prophet, then they have at least one recorded prophesy. By not having Enoch and Jasher you miss many of them. lAbel's prophecy is only recorded in Jasher, and it is fulfilled in Jesus' Day of Atonement, as the Seed of the Woman [Zion above] come to fulfill the prophecy of Him promised to our entire race in Genesis 3:15.
Miriam is called a prophet in Exodus, which is the first time she is named in the Law, but in Jasher her prophecy is recorded, and it is about Moses who would be born to deliver Israel if her father took her mother back in the house, because he had sent her away so as not to have a child to be killed by the Egyptians.
Because all Israel knew the prophecy of Miriam and of Moses' birth, and because all Israel was delivered from their babies being cast into the river when Bathia adopted the Hebrew boy whom she named Moses, then Moses assumed the Israelites would know that he was to be their deliverer, as Luke quotes Stephen as stating.
Because Enoch and Jasher precede all Jewish commentaries which were written in the Babylonian period and after, then nothing the Jews wrote of the things which are found first in those books, are invented by the later commentators, but come directly from those foundational writings of truth.

There is nothing in the OT to give reason for Moses' belief which is stated by Stephen and recorded by Luke in this passage -but it is written in the Book of Jasher
Act 7:24 And seeing one [of them] suffer wrong, he defended [him], and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
Act 7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

I have to say that at this point in Stephen's speech, he either erred or it is a corrupted text, for Jasher shows that Moses fled at the age of 18, was in Cush 9 years, then served as king of Cush for 40 years, when they elected him king when the king died, for his wisdom in having delivered the king's city in a wise war, when it was taken by Baalim..; He was given the Ethiopian queen as wife and refused to go in to her because of the call of God on his life and the separation he believed he should have from a Cushite because of the curse of Canaan and of His call to deliver the Israelites as the people of the Name.
When the queen's son grew up she then asked the people to depose Moses and install the son of the former king. Moses left in peace and with gifts, and went to the land of Midian, where he was imprisoned in a dungeon for 10 years, by Zipporah's father, after having helped her and her six sisters at the well.
Reuel had formerly stood in Egypt before Pharaoh, and he imprisoned Moses in case anyone in Egypt was still looking for him. In fact, the same Pharoah was on the throne until two years before Moses returned to Egypt, and confronted his son, who did not know Moses.
Moses was released from the dungeon at the pleading of Zipporah to her father, who had secretly fed him all those ten years to keep him alive in the dungeon. Moses was brought out of the dungeon, cleaned up, given dinner, and performed a miracle in the garden of Reuel the same evening, without realizing that he had done so, and Reuel gave him his daughter as wife. Moses was then 77 years old, and in the next three years he fathered two children, and the first one he did not circumcise because Reuel talked him out of it. Moses circumcised the second son according to AbraHAm's command.
When Moses was called to go to Egypt and went, the Angel of YHWH appeard to kill him -he became sick unto death- and Zipporah knew the reason and circumcised her eldest son and Moses recovered.
YHWH sent Aaron out to the desert to meet Moses and rebuked him sharply for bringing the wife and young children to the job they had to do, Moses sent her back to her father, and Reuel brought her and the children to them after they were bvrought out of Egypt.
All these details of Moses' history are redacted out of Genesis, and fully explained in Jasher.
Why Moses was 80 when he had two young sons. Why the eldest was not circumcised. How he got an Egyptian wife [Zipporah was descended from Abraham, by Midian whom Zipporah bore to him] which Miriam and Aaron were jealous of him for. What Miriam's prophecy was and how it should have made all the Israelites realize Moses was to deliver them, and so on and so forth -and much more- are all written in the Book of Jasher itself, written long before any other Jewish books were written which commented on these facts of of Moses' history.

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

Assyrian said:
You like to give long quotations from Enoch, but you don't tell us what the prophecy about the seventy generations says.

I made a long post on that already. I won't do it again but I will look for it [at my leisure[ back through this thread and repost it.

Assyrian said:
If you want to know what the 'hidden' books are The Greek for hidden is Apocrypha.

I'm speaking of the list of the 70 hidden books which Ezra/Esdras tells of. Who had them? Who read them? - the internal witness is that the wise read them.

2 Esdras 14:42 The Highest gave understanding unto the five men, and they wrote the wonderful visions of the night that were told, which they knew not: and they sat forty days, and they wrote in the day, and at night they ate bread.
2 Esdras 14:43 As for me. I spake in the day, and I held not my tongue by night.
2 Esdras 14:44 In forty days they wrote two hundred and four books.
2 Esdras 14:45 And it came to pass, when the forty days were filled, that the Highest spake, saying, The first that thou hast written publish openly, that the worthy and unworthy may read it:
2 Esdras 14:46 But keep the seventy last, that thou mayest deliver them only to such as be wise among the people:
2 Esdras 14:47 For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge.
2 Esdras 14:48 And I did so.

Ezra's books may have something to do with Enoch's revelation which he read from the heavenly tablets about the last generation who will be alive in the great tribulation, who repent and believe after the Chuch is raptured [before the tribulation can begin], as Enoch begins his writings [chapter 1] he states that they are for a remote generation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed from the earth [Jude quotes from that beginning writing of Enoch, also];

Enoch [Chapter 104]
1 I swear unto you, that in heaven the angels remember you for good before the glory of the Great 2 One: and your names are written before the glory of the Great One. Be hopeful; for aforetime ye were put to shame through ill and affliction; but now ye shall shine as the lights of heaven, 3 ye shall shine and ye shall be seen, and the portals of heaven shall be opened to you. And in your cry, cry for judgement, and it shall appear to you; for all your tribulation shall be visited on the 4 rulers, and on all who helped those who plundered you. Be hopeful, and cast not away your hopes for ye shall have great joy as the angels of heaven. What shall ye be obliged to do ? Ye shall not have to hide on the day of the great judgement and ye shall not be found as sinners, and the eternal 6 judgement shall be far from you for all the generations of the world. And now fear not, ye righteous, when ye see the sinners growing strong and prospering in their ways: be not companions with them, 7 but keep afar from their violence; for ye shall become companions of the hosts of heaven. And, although ye sinners say: " All our sins shall not be searched out and be written down," nevertheless 8 they shall write down all your sins every day. And now I show unto you that light and darkness, 9 day and night, see all your sins. Be not godless in your hearts, and lie not and alter not the words of uprightness, nor charge with lying the words of the Holy Great One, nor take account of your 10 idols; for all your lying and all your godlessness issue not in righteousness but in great sin. And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning 11 their words. But when they write down truthfully all my words in their languages, and do not change or minish ought from my words but write them all down truthfully -all that I first testified 12 concerning them.

Then, I know another mystery, that books will be given to the righteous and the 13 wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learnt therefrom all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.'

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

Assyrian said:
What you don't quote is an reference for the "totemic manner that is straight out of 1 Enoch"

The totemic imagery is in the dream visions given to Enoch about the things to come until the end of this creation, from before the flood and then after the flood, esp as it relates to the people of the New Man name [Israel].
It's really not nice to post such a lot -who reads it? -but here are the dream visions in a couple of posts. It would help if you would read Enoch for yourself. Since Jesus did, why not you?

Enoch [Chapter 85]
1,2 And after this I saw another dream, and I will show the whole dream to thee, my son. And Enoch lifted up (his voice) and spake to his son Methuselah: ' To thee, my son, will I speak: hear my words-incline thine ear to the dream-vision of thy father.
Before I took thy mother Edna, I saw in a vision on my bed, and behold a bull came forth from the earth, and that bull was white; and after it came forth a heifer, and along with this (latter) came forth two bulls, one of them black and 4 the other red.
And that black bull gored the red one and pursued him over the earth, and thereupon 5 I could no longer see that red bull. But that black bull grew and that heifer went with him, and 6 I saw that many oxen proceeded from him which resembled and followed him. And that cow, that first one, went from the presence of that first bull in order to seek that red one, but found him 7 not, and lamented with a great lamentation over him and sought him. And I looked till that first 8 bull came to her and quieted her, and from that time onward she cried no more. And after that she bore another white bull, and after him she bore many bulls and black cows. 9 And I saw in my sleep that white bull likewise grow and become a great white bull, and from Him proceeded many white bulls, and they resembled him. And they began to beget many white bulls, which resembled them, one following the other, (even) many.
[Chapter 86]
1 And again I saw with mine eyes as I slept, and I saw the heaven above, and behold a star fell 2 from heaven, and it arose and eat and pastured amongst those oxen. And after that I saw the large and the black oxen, and behold they all changed their stalls and pastures and their cattle, and began 3 to live with each other. And again I saw in the vision, and looked towards the heaven, and behold I saw many stars descend and cast themselves down from heaven to that first star, and they became 4 bulls amongst those cattle and pastured with them [amongst them]. And I looked at them and saw, and behold they all let out their privy members, like horses, and began to cover the cows of the oxen, 5 and they all became pregnant and bare elephants, camels, and asses. And all the oxen feared them and were affrighted at them, and began to bite with their teeth and to devour, and to gore with their 6 horns. And they began, moreover, to devour those oxen; and behold all the children of the earth began to tremble and quake before them and to flee from them.
[Chapter 87]
1 And again I saw how they began to gore each other and to devour each other, and the earth 2 began to cry aloud. And I raised mine eyes again to heaven, and I saw in the vision, and behold there came forth from heaven beings who were like white men: and four went forth from that place 3 and three with them. And those three that had last come forth grasped me by my hand and took me up, away from the generations of the earth, and raised me up to a lofty place, and showed me 4 a tower raised high above the earth, and all the hills were lower. And one said unto me: ' Remain here till thou seest everything that befalls those elephants, camels, and asses, and the stars and the oxen, and all of them.'
[Chapter 88]
1 And I saw one of those four who had come forth first, and he seized that first star which had fallen from the heaven, and bound it hand and foot and cast it into an abyss: now that abyss was 2 narrow and deep, and horrible and dark. And one of them drew a sword, and gave it to those elephants and camels and asses: then they began to smite each other, and the whole earth quaked 3 because of them. And as I was beholding in the vision, lo, one of those four who had come forth stoned (them) from heaven, and gathered and took all the great stars whose privy members were like those of horses, and bound them all hand and foot, and cast them in an abyss of the earth.

Then the flood-

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

The flood and after the flood;

Enoch [Chapter 89]
1 And one of those four went to that white bull and instructed him in a secret, without his being terrified: he was born a bull and became a man, and built for himself a great vessel and dwelt thereon; 2 and three bulls dwelt with him in that vessel and they were covered in.
And again I raised mine eyes towards heaven and saw a lofty roof, with seven water torrents thereon, and those torrents 3 flowed with much water into an enclosure. And I saw again, and behold fountains were opened on the surface of that great enclosure, and that water began to swell and rise upon the surface, 4 and I saw that enclosure till all its surface was covered with water.
And the water, the darkness, and mist increased upon it; and as I looked at the height of that water, that water had risen above the height of that enclosure, and was streaming over that enclosure, and it stood upon the earth. 5 And all the cattle of that enclosure were gathered together until I saw how they sank and were 6 swallowed up and perished in that water. But that vessel floated on the water, while all the oxen and elephants and camels and asses sank to the bottom with all the animals, so that I could no longer see them, and they were not able to escape, (but) perished and sank into the depths. And again I saw in the vision till those water torrents were removed from that high roof, and the chasms 8 of the earth were leveled up and other abysses were opened.
Then the water began to run down into these, till the earth became visible; but that vessel settled on the earth, and the darkness 9 retired and light appeared.

But that white bull which had become a man came out of that vessel, and the three bulls with him, and one of those three was white like that bull, and one of them was red as blood, and one black: and that white bull departed from them.
10 And they began to bring forth beasts of the field and birds, so that there arose different genera: lions, tigers, wolves, dogs, hyenas, wild boars, foxes, squirrels, swine, falcons, vultures, kites, eagles, and ravens; and among them was born a white bull. And they began to bite one another; but that white bull which was born amongst them begat a wild ass and a white bull with it, and the 12 wild asses multiplied.

Then Isaac and his seed, to the time of the deliverance from Egypt

But that bull which was born from him begat a black wild boar and a white 13 sheep; and the former begat many boars, but that sheep begat twelve sheep. And when those twelve sheep had grown, they gave up one of them to the asses, and those asses again gave up that sheep to the wolves, and that sheep grew up among the wolves. And the Lord brought the eleven sheep to live with it and to pasture with it among the wolves: and they multiplied and became many flocks of sheep. And the wolves began to fear them, and they oppressed them until they destroyed their little ones, and they cast their young into a river of much water: but those sheep began to 16 cry aloud on account of their little ones, and to complain unto their Lord. And a sheep which had been saved from the wolves fled and escaped to the wild asses; and I saw the sheep how they lamented and cried, and besought their Lord with all their might, till that Lord of the sheep descended at the voice of the sheep from a lofty abode, and came to them and pastured them. And He called that sheep which had escaped the wolves, and spake with it concerning the wolves that it should 18 admonish them not to touch the sheep. And the sheep went to the wolves according to the word of the Lord, and another sheep met it and went with it, and the two went and entered together into the assembly of those wolves, and spake with them and admonished them not to touch the 19 sheep from henceforth. And thereupon I saw the wolves, and how they oppressed the sheep 20 exceedingly with all their power; and the sheep cried aloud. And the Lord came to the sheep and they began to smite those wolves: and the wolves began to make lamentation; but the sheep became 21 quiet and forthwith ceased to cry out.

The deliverance to the death of Moses;

And I saw the sheep till they departed from amongst the wolves; but the eyes of the wolves were blinded, and those wolves departed in pursuit of the sheep 22 with all their power. And the Lord of the sheep went with them, as their leader, and all His sheep 23 followed Him: and his face was dazzling and glorious and terrible to behold. But the wolves 24 began to pursue those sheep till they reached a sea of water. And that sea was divided, and the water stood on this side and on that before their face, and their Lord led them and placed Himself between 25 them and the wolves. And as those wolves did not yet see the sheep, they proceeded into the midst of that sea, and the wolves followed the sheep, and [those wolves] ran after them into that sea. 26 And when they saw the Lord of the sheep, they turned to flee before His face, but that sea gathered itself together, and became as it had been created, and the water swelled and rose till it covered 27 those wolves. And I saw till all the wolves who pursued those sheep perished and were drowned. 28 But the sheep escaped from that water and went forth into a wilderness, where there was no water and no grass; and they began to open their eyes and to see; and I saw the Lord of the sheep 29 pasturing them and giving them water and grass, and that sheep going and leading them. And that 30 sheep ascended to the summit of that lofty rock, and the Lord of the sheep sent it to them. And after that I saw the Lord of the sheep who stood before them, and His appearance was great and 31 terrible and majestic, and all those sheep saw Him and were afraid before His face. And they all feared and trembled because of Him, and they cried to that sheep with them [which was amongst 32 them]: ' We are not able to stand before our Lord or to behold Him.' And that sheep which led them again ascended to the summit of that rock, but the sheep began to be blinded and to wander 33 from the way which he had showed them, but that sheep wot not thereof. And the Lord of the sheep was wrathful exceedingly against them, and that sheep discovered it, and went down from the summit of the rock, and came to the sheep, and found the greatest part of them blinded and fallen 34 away. And when they saw it they feared and trembled at its presence, and desired to return to their 35 folds. And that sheep took other sheep with it, and came to those sheep which had fallen away, and began to slay them; and the sheep feared its presence, and thus that sheep brought back those 36 sheep that had fallen away, and they returned to their folds. And I saw in this vision till that sheep became a man and built a house for the Lord of the sheep, and placed all the sheep in that house. 37 And I saw till this sheep which had met that sheep which led them fell asleep: and I saw till all the great sheep perished and little ones arose in their place, and they came to a pasture, and 38 approached a stream of water. Then that sheep, their leader which had become a man, withdrew 39 from them and fell asleep, and all the sheep sought it and cried over it with a great crying.

Then Joshua-

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

Joshua to Elijah

And I saw till they left off crying for that sheep and crossed that stream of water, and there arose the two sheep as leaders in the place of those which had led them and fallen asleep (lit. ' had fallen asleep and led 40 them ').
And I saw till the sheep came to a goodly place, and a pleasant and glorious land, and I saw till those sheep were satisfied; and that house stood amongst them in the pleasant land. 41 And sometimes their eyes were opened, and sometimes blinded, till another sheep arose and led them and brought them all back, and their eyes were opened.
42 And the dogs and the foxes and the wild boars began to devour those sheep till the Lord of the sheep raised up [another sheep] a ram from their 43 midst, which led them. And that ram began to butt on either side those dogs, foxes, and wild 44 boars till he had destroyed them all. And that sheep whose eyes were opened saw that ram, which was amongst the sheep, till it forsook its glory and began to butt those sheep, and trampled upon them, and behaved itself 45 unseemly.
And the Lord of the sheep sent the lamb to another lamb and raised it to being a ram and leader of the sheep instead of that 46 ram which had forsaken its glory. And it went to it and spake to it alone, and raised it to being a ram, and made it the prince and leader of the sheep; but during all these things those dogs 47 oppressed the sheep.
And the first ram pursued that second ram, and that second ram arose and fled before it; and I saw till those dogs pulled 48 down the first ram.
And that second ram arose 49 and led the [little] sheep. And those sheep grew and multiplied; but all the dogs, and foxes, and wild boars feared and fled before it, and that ram butted and killed the wild beasts, and those wild beasts had no longer any power among the 48b sheep and robbed them no more of ought. And that ram begat many sheep and fell asleep; and a little sheep became ram in its stead, and became prince and leader of those sheep.
50 And that house became great and broad, and it was built for those sheep: (and) a tower lofty and great was built on the house for the Lord of the sheep, and that house was low, but the tower was elevated and lofty, and the Lord of the sheep stood on that tower and they offered a full table before Him. 51 And again I saw those sheep that they again erred and went many ways, and forsook that their house, and the Lord of the sheep called some from amongst the sheep and sent them to the sheep
[called and sent apostles and prophets],
52 but the sheep began to slay them. And one of them was saved and was not slain, and it sped away and cried aloud over the sheep; and they sought to slay it, but the Lord of the sheep saved it from 53 the sheep, and brought it up to me, and caused it to dwell there.

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

More prophets and apostles called and sent, to the fall time of the Babylonian captivity;

And many other sheep He sent to those sheep to testify unto them and lament over them. And after that I saw that when they forsook the house of the Lord and His tower they fell away entirely, and their eyes were blinded; and I saw the Lord of the sheep how He wrought much slaughter amongst them in their herds until 55 those sheep invited that slaughter and betrayed His place.
And He gave them over into the hands of the lions and tigers, and wolves and hyenas, and into the hand of the foxes, and to all the wild 56 beasts, and those wild beasts began to tear in pieces those sheep. And I saw that He forsook that their house and their tower and gave them all into the hand of the lions, to tear and devour them, 57 into the hand of all the wild beasts. And I began to cry aloud with all my power, and to appeal to the Lord of the sheep, and to represent to Him in regard to the sheep that they were devoured 58 by all the wild beasts.

But He remained unmoved, though He saw it, and rejoiced that they were devoured and swallowed and robbed, and left them to be devoured in the hand of all the beasts. 59 And He called seventy shepherds, and cast those sheep to them that they might pasture them, and He spake to the shepherds and their companions: ' Let each individual of you pasture the sheep 60 henceforward, and everything that I shall command you that do ye.
And I will deliver them over unto you duly numbered, and tell you which of them are to be destroyed-and them destroy ye.' And 61 He gave over unto them those sheep. And He called another and spake unto him: ' Observe and mark everything that the shepherds will do to those sheep; for they will destroy more of them than 62 I have commanded them. And every excess and the destruction which will be wrought through the shepherds, record (namely) how many they destroy according to my command, and how many according to their own caprice: record against every individual shepherd all the destruction he 63 effects. And read out before me by number how many they destroy, and how many they deliver over for destruction, that I may have this as a testimony against them, and know every deed of the shepherds, that I may comprehend and see what they do, whether or not they abide by my 64 command which I have commanded them.
But they shall not know it, and thou shalt not declare it to them, nor admonish them, but only record against each individual all the destruction which 65 the shepherds effect each in his time and lay it all before me.' And I saw till those shepherds pastured in their season, and they began to slay and to destroy more than they were bidden, and they delivered 66 those sheep into the hand of the lions. And the lions and tigers eat and devoured the greater part of those sheep, and the wild boars eat along with them; and they burnt that tower and demolished 67 that house. And I became exceedingly sorrowful over that tower because that house of the sheep was demolished, and afterwards I was unable to see if those sheep entered that house.
68 And the shepherds and their associates delivered over those sheep to all the wild beasts, to devour them, and each one of them received in his time a definite number: it was written by the other 69 in a book how many each one of them destroyed of them. And each one slew and destroyed many 70 more than was prescribed; and I began to weep and lament on account of those sheep.

And thus in the vision I saw that one who wrote, how he wrote down every one that was destroyed by those shepherds, day by day, and carried up and laid down and showed actually the whole book to the Lord of the sheep-(even) everything that they had done, and all that each one of them had made 71 away with, and all that they had given over to destruction. A
nd the book was read before the Lord of the sheep, and He took the book from his hand and read it and sealed it and laid it down.

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

From the time of the return to the time of the Roman [the eagles] destruction of Jerusalem;

72 And forthwith I saw how the shepherds pastured for twelve hours, and behold three of those sheep turned back and came and entered and began to build up all that had fallen down of that 73 house; but the wild boars tried to hinder them, but they were not able. And they began again to build as before, and they reared up that tower, and it was named the high tower; and they began again to place a table before the tower, but all the bread on it was polluted and not pure. 74 And as touching all this the eyes of those sheep were blinded so that they saw not, and (the eyes of) their shepherds likewise; and they delivered them in large numbers to their shepherds for 75 destruction, and they trampled the sheep with their feet and devoured them. And the Lord of the sheep remained unmoved till all the sheep were dispersed over the field and mingled with them (i.e. the 76 beasts), and they (i.e. the shepherds) did not save them out of the hand of the beasts. And this one who wrote the book carried it up, and showed it and read it before the Lord of the sheep, and implored Him on their account, and besought Him on their account as he showed Him all the doings 77 of the shepherds, and gave testimony before Him against all the shepherds. And he took the actual book and laid it down beside Him and departed.
[Chapter 90]
1 And I saw till that in this manner thirty-five shepherds undertook the pasturing (of the sheep), and they severally completed their periods as did the first; and others received them into their 2 hands, to pasture them for their period, each shepherd in his own period. And after that I saw in my vision all the birds of heaven coming, the eagles, the vultures, the kites, the ravens; but the eagles led all the birds; and they began to devour those sheep, and to pick out their eyes and to 3 devour their flesh. And the sheep cried out because their flesh was being devoured by the birds, 4 and as for me I looked and lamented in my sleep over that shepherd who pastured the sheep.
And I saw until those sheep were devoured by the dogs and eagles and kites, and they left neither flesh nor skin nor sinew remaining on them till only their bones stood there: and their bones too fell 5 to the earth and the sheep became few. And I saw until that twenty-three had undertaken the pasturing and completed in their several periods fifty-eight times.

yeshuasavedme · Jan 5, 2009

The time of the Gospel of Christ to the Great end times battle against Israel, and the Millennial reign;

6 But behold lambs were borne by those white sheep, and they began to open their eyes and to see, 7 and to cry to the sheep. Yea, they cried to them, but they did not hearken to what they said to 8 them, but were exceedingly deaf, and their eyes were very exceedingly blinded.
And I saw in the vision how the ravens flew upon those lambs and took one of those lambs, and dashed the sheep 9 in pieces and devoured them.
And I saw till horns grew upon those lambs, and the ravens cast down their horns; and I saw till there sprouted a great horn of one of those sheep, and their eyes 10 were opened.
And it looked at them [and their eyes opened], and it cried to the sheep, and the 11 rams saw it and all ran to it.
And notwithstanding all this those eagles and vultures and ravens and kites still kept tearing the sheep and swooping down upon them and devouring them: still the sheep remained silent, but the rams lamented and cried out. And those ravens fought and battled with it and sought to lay low its horn, but they had no power over it. All the eagles and vultures and ravens and kites were gathered together, and there came with them all the sheep of the field, yea, they all came together, and helped each other to break that horn of the ram. 19 And I saw till a great sword was given to the sheep, and the sheep proceeded against all the beasts of the field to slay them, and all the beasts and the birds of the heaven fled before their face.
And I saw that man, who wrote the book according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those twelve last shepherds had wrought, and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep came unto them and took in His hand the staff of His wrath, and smote the earth, and the earth clave asunder, and all the beasts and all the birds of the heaven fell from among those sheep, and were swallowed up in the earth and it covered them. 20 And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep.
21 And the Lord called those men the seven first white ones, and commanded that they should bring before Him, beginning with the first star which led the way, all the stars whose privy members 22 were like those of horses, and they brought them all before Him. And He said to that man who wrote before Him, being one of those seven white ones, and said unto him: ' Take those seventy shepherds to whom I delivered the sheep, and who taking them on their own authority slew more 23 than I commanded them.' And behold they were all bound, I saw, and they all stood before Him.
24 And the judgement was held first over the stars, and they were judged and found guilty, and went to the place of condemnation, and they were cast into an abyss, full of fire and flaming, and full 25 of pillars of fire. And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty, and they were cast 26 into that fiery abyss. And I saw at that time how a like abyss was opened in the midst of the earth, full of fire, and they brought those blinded sheep, and they were all judged and found guilty and 27 cast into this fiery abyss, and they burned; now this abyss was to the right of that house.
And I saw those sheep burning and their bones burning. 28 And I stood up to see till they folded up that old house; and carried off all the pillars, and all the beams and ornaments of the house were at the same time folded up with it, and they carried 29 it off and laid it in a place in the south of the land. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep brought a new house greater and loftier than that first, and set it up in the place of the first which had beer folded up: all its pillars were new, and its ornaments were new and larger than those of the first, the old one which He had taken away, and all the sheep were within it.
30 And I saw all the sheep which had been left, and all the beasts on the earth, and all the birds of the heaven, falling down and doing homage to those sheep and making petition to and obeying 31 them in every thing. And thereafter those three who were clothed in white and had seized me by my hand [who had taken me up before], and the hand of that ram also seizing hold of me, they 32 took me up and set me down in the midst of those sheep before the judgement took place. And those 33 sheep were all white, and their wool was abundant and clean.
And all that had been destroyed and dispersed, and all the beasts of the field, and all the birds of the heaven, assembled in that house, and the Lord of the sheep rejoiced with great joy because they were all good and had returned to 34 His house.
And I saw till they laid down that sword, which had been given to the sheep, and they brought it back into the house, and it was sealed before the presence of the Lord, and all the sheep 35 were invited into that house, but it held them not. And the eyes of them all were opened, and they 36 saw the good, and there was not one among them that did not see. And I saw that that house was large and broad and very full. 37 And I saw that a white bull was born, with large horns and all the beasts of the field and all the 38 birds of the air feared him and made petition to him all the time.
And I saw till all their generations were transformed, and they all became white bulls; and the first among them became a lamb, and that lamb became a great animal and had great black horns on its head; and the Lord of the sheep 39 rejoiced over it and over all the oxen. And I slept in their midst: and I awoke and saw everything. 40 This is the vision which I saw while I slept, and I awoke and blessed the Lord of righteousness and 41 gave Him glory.

Then I wept with a great weeping and my tears stayed not till I could no longer endure it: when I saw, they flowed on account of what I had seen; for everything shall come and 42 be fulfilled, and all the deeds of men in their order were shown to me. On that night I remembered the first dream, and because of it I wept and was troubled-because I had seen that vision.

And that completes the totemic imagery of the nations of the world, as Enoch saw them.
Look how the nations stripped the bones of the sheep, in Enoch's vision, and they dried out, and how Ezekiel saw the bones get fleshed out again.

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together.

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