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scripture please which supports this idea. all of scripture talks about Jesus coming to save the Humans who were lost in their sin. the rest of their creation does not have that choice granted to them
Rom 14:1 And him who is weak in the faith receive ye -- not to determinations of reasonings;
Rom 14:2 one doth believe that he may eat all things -- and he who is weak doth eat herbs;
Rom 14:3 let not him who is eating despise him who is not eating: and let not him who is not eating judge him who is eating, for God did receive him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
That is not a license for error. This is a rule for living together as a Church, until every error is corrected by the Master.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
How could it possibly be that an evolutionist would confess Jesus, and yet not have that confession be of God unto salvation? The test is simple.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
With that, the glass is always half, a quarter, and eighth or a 100th full.
How could I not defend you, and the faith?
Understood but personally i think it takes more faith to be a TE and more effort to justify the position, while being a YEC is actually quite simple.
The words ish and ishyah are common Hebrew words for male and female or man and wife. Is there any reason these terms refer back to Adam and Eve rather than the husband divorcing the wife of his youth that Malachi is talking about?Thank you for your post.
I would like to direct you to Scriptures in context to show why Malachi 2:15 is speaking of the first ish and ishyah [one Adam kind, made male and female],
Again you probably see some deep significance in the etymology, but is there any reason to think the word is not simply being used as the Hebrew word for residue rather than a reference back to Adam and Eve. The word is never even used in connection with Adam and Eve.being made "one" spirit, with the residue of the Adam spirit which was "formed" in the Adamhead ish, and "remained" in the rib taken from his side, for the building of the female Adam ish, for the purpose of multiplying the seed within the Adamhead as sons of God =ben Elohym- of the human being kind as a house for His Glory to indwell [we wear clothes because of the shame of that loss of Glory and irrevocable ruin from our created purpose
YHWH made them -the male and the female Adam persons- one spirit, with the residue of the spirit of the flesh, which spirit He called "Adam".
Malachi 2:15
h6213 `asah
h259 'echad
h7605 shĕ'ar
h7307 ruwach
h259 echad
h1245 baqash
h430 'elohiym
h2233 zera`
Isaac Mozeson's Hebrew dictionary, The Word" gives this entrance, with h7604: from which the word h7605 shĕ'ar, used in Malachi 2:15, is connected and understood
RESIDUE SaReeYD Sin-Resh-Yod-Dalet
SAH-REED_________________[SRD à RSD]
ROOTS: RESIDE and RESIDENCE are said to come from Latin re (back) plus sedere (to sit). "Sitting back" may or may not infer RESIDENCY, but RESIDUE (what is left over) is another matter. Old French residere (remainder, rest) has nothing to do with occupation, so the linkage of RESIDENTIAL to RESIDUAL ought to be suspect. Hebrew offers an SRD etymon which could well have given rise to RSD words like residere, RESIDUARY, and RESIDUUM. SaReeYD is a remnant or survivor (Numbers 21:35, Job 18:19). SaRaD is to leave over. SHAahR is to remain; the extension with the SR + dental that fits this entry is SHAyReeYT (remnant Genesis 45:7).
BRANCHES: The SR element is seen in SHahAR (was left I Samuel 16:11) and SHihAyReeYT (remnant or a remainder). The sense of human survivor is kept alive in the Polish SR word for orphan: sierota. The Ancient Egyptian sherit (a small piece of something) should be related to SHAyReeYT (remnant -- from Kressel Housman). REST (remainder) ought to be related; the Latin etymon here is restare (to remain). RESTING (dormancy), RESTIVE and RESTLESS are more distantly related.
Difficult verse that, usually translated as the Lord forms the spirit of man within him. In fact it looks like you had change the AV there from formeth the spirit of man to formeth the spirit of Adam. It is the Hebrew word adm, but it certainly isn't clear it should be translated Adam here rather than man.Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of Adam within/in the midst of him.
So the spirit which YHWH Elohym "formed" in the midst of the flesh of the head of our race -the male Adam ish- was "remained" in the rib taken from his side, for the building of the female Adam ishyah. All Adam is one spirit.
Really don't know what you are saying here.All born in the New Man Name [second birth of spirit is the adoption] are also one Spirit with Him 1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit. -and all adopted into His One Living Spirit will be resurrected in their body and regenerated/morphosed in the elements of it to the image of the New Man. Then they will also be one bone and one flesh together with His One Spirit. Because we are made one Spirit with Christ in the regeneration of our spirit, we are then members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones -Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
We wait for the adoption of the body, when we are morphosed to the image of the New Man, and then indeed are His "ishyah": bone of His bone, flesh of His flesh, with the Remnant of His One Spirit; and finally, YHWH gets the sons of Elohym which He sought when He made Adam one spirit, one flesh, one bone, one blood; and made them male and female, to multiply the seed as His sons, for His House, built of the human kind, for His Glory to indwell.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of Adam within him.
Gen 37:27 for he [is] our brother [and] our flesh.
Gen 29:14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou [art] my bone and my flesh.
2Sa 19:12 Ye [are] my brethren, ye [are] my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?
2Sa 19:13 And say ye to Amasa, [Art] thou not of my bone, and of my flesh? God do so to me, and more also, if thou be not captain of the host before me continually in the room of Joab.
1Ch 11:1 Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying, Behold, we [are] thy bone and thy flesh.
Num 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh,...Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Adam, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
It is sad, made perhaps a bit easier by Paul's statement that there must be factions in the church. I think the most important part is how we treat those we disagree with. To paraphrase our Lord, If we just love those who agree with us, what good is that?If one had to grade errors on the basis of how much attention Paul pays, dividing the body of Christ is a big deal for Paul. He spends time less worrying about creationism. I dont think that allows us to read his mind on the subject, but before someone divides the body, they ought to wonder about why Paul thinks this is such a big deal.
As I mentioned to ysm in another post, I think the problem comes when we try to build up a theology of the gospel. In a very real way this is something we should do, and it is made easier by the way the OT is full of pictures pointing forward to Christ and the Cross. The problem comes when the theology of the gospel we have built up runs into someone who reads those OT passages differently. The temptation is to think they are rejecting the gospel itself rather than our own limited and flawed understanding.I agree with the OP that, if you extend the logic of the core Gospel, you do need to be consistent with a YEC view to remain perfectly logical. But of course, perfect logic is not what we run the race for. But, the OP, perhaps unintentionally, seemed a lot more extreme to me.
Does the OT ever refer to Adam as ben elohim? I know it come up in Luke, in the genealogy, it is not presented as part of an explanation of the gospel. Yet you see Adam being ben elohim as fundamental to the gospel.Concentrating on the creation of Adam as a "ben Elohym", created to be a house for the Glory to dwell in -not made of hands- and of the fall of the prince/Adam, we do see that the evolutionary TE teaching is total fabrication, built on nothing but myths unfounded in the Word of God.
The TE human being is not created from the beginning as "Adam, ben Elohym", clothed with the Glory of the Unseen, dwelling in the Garden of God and fellowshipping with the "Face of His Presense' in the Person of His Word, daily, one on one.
To my understanding, the seed was about the redeemer, not the other way round, that the seed was to be redeemed. Paul seems to take a similar view with the seed of Abraham, pointing out that seed is singular referring to Christ rather than referring to many. Gal 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He doesn't say, "To seeds," as of many, but as of one, "To your seed," which is Christ.The Gospel of Christ is about the Atonement of the Kinsman Redeemer for the seed of the fallen, former ben Elohym, Adam.
When was Adam ever in the assemblies of the (angelic) sons of God? It was God who walked with him in the Garden.Adam can never come into the assembly of sons of God since the fall, and the whole story of redemption is about the The Atonement was prepared from the beginning for the ransom and cleansing and adoption/ the redressing in garments of the New Man Name, for the seed who were created in Adam to be sons of God; who were to be His house not made with hands, and were made for the joining togetehr in praise and worship with all the sons of God when the assemblies of them are called, in the heavenlies.
The story of redemption of the seed of Adam is the story of our cleansing as individual seed/souls by the Atonement of th Kinsman/Redeemer, who adopts us and redresses us in the Spirit of regeneration and in the body of regeneration, so that we are then truly built as the "house called human being" not made with hands, and made for the Glory to indwell.
The New Man human being house is called "Israel". He is the Seed of the Woman who crushes the head/authority of the serpent and whose heel the serpent bruised/killed; but who ransoms the kingdom by marrying the barren widow and adopting all the dead seed as His own sons, and restores the ransomed kingdom to share with His own adopted sons, in the regeneration of it, at which time the Glory of the Unseen YHWH will fill the regenerated heavens and earth and all the sons of God will be united to the Father through the Son.
TE myths miss the entire story of our purpose, our fall from that purpose and the restoration as sons of God by the Atonement and adoption. Redemption is "redeemed back" for our purpose for which we were made, in the beginning.
Adam is a devolved, degenerate, former "ben Elohym", who has no hope for restoration in his own name. A vessel of clay, once defiled, is unfit for bearing the Glory ever, again, as the living oracles [given by Moses] teach us.
But Israel, the New creation Man, who is YHWH come in flesh of human being preparation for the Glory to indwell is the Foundation Stone of the New -second- Human Being temple, made for the Glory to indwell.
Adam is the old man. Jesus/Salvation the Christ/The Living Spirit is the New Man, whose name is not Adam, but whose name is Israel. The name was given to Jacob by YHWH of hosts [Hosea 12:3-5] when He came to Jacob as the Messenger of YHWH, when He wrestled with Jacob, and gave Jacob the former secret name, as a sign of the adoption to come, in His Name.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you orphans: I will come to you.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
ev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
Miscommunication there: the Seed is the Redeemer/Kinsman of the dead husband of earth. The Kinsman/Redeemer is the Atonement. He is the Propitiation. His New Man body is the True Mercy Seat typed by Moses; and His blood is the Sin offering offered on the true Mercy Seat. His Living Spirit [which He committed to God when He gave up the Spirit] is the "Ram chosen for YHWH"; and His soul [His New Man Person] is the Ram chosen "for Azazel", who had all the sins and iniquities of the whole world [of the entire age of this present creation], laid upon it by the Father, when He hung upon the cross [Isaiah 53], which soul was then "sent away", to take those sins He bore; "to Azazel".--Quote---
The Gospel of Christ is about the Atonement of the Kinsman Redeemer for the seed of the fallen, former ben Elohym, Adam.
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To my understanding, the seed was about the redeemer, not the other way round, that the seed was to be redeemed.
Isa 53:1 WHO has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of YHWH been revealed?
Isa 53:2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And YHWH has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
Isa 53:9 And theyhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Isa&c=53&t=NKJV&x=20&y=14#_fnt_1made His grave with the wicked--
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased YHWH to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
He was made to ascend to and sit upon the throne of Glory in the heavenlies, when the Royal assemblies were called. He would have, too, if he had passed the test. He would have always represented his seed there. He died in the fall and never ascended to that throne.Does the OT ever refer to Adam as ben elohim? I know it come up in Luke, in the genealogy, it is not presented as part of an explanation of the gospel. Yet you see Adam being ben elohim as fundamental to the gospel.
When was Adam ever in the assemblies of the (angelic) sons of God? It was God who walked with him in the Garden.
Actually, the sexual term for male and female is zakar and nĕqebah;. Genesis 1:27; Gen 5:2; and so on and so forth.The words ish and ishyah are common Hebrew words for male and female or man and wife.
Malachi makes the purpose of marraige a sacred and holy thing from the beginning, when He made them [the male and the female] one/echad, because he sought sons of God =godly seed, for Himself, by that making of the male and female Adam "one" spirit. Marraige itself is for God's purpose of getting the sons of God of the human being kind by the multiplication of the seed created in the loins of the male Adam.Is there any reason these terms refer back to Adam and Eve rather than the husband divorcing the wife of his youth that Malachi is talking about?
Back to the OP-
In TE, there is no creation of Adam as the human being son of God, whose body was formed on day six -days of six evenings and six monings- from the dust of the adamah [ground].
In TE, there is no "Adam son of God" whose body was made in the image of God. -In fact; made in the image of God the Word, who was to come [Romans 5:14].
In TE there is no fall from the glory indwelling the Adam as a human being son of God, and no corruption entering the world [globe] as a direct result of the fall of it's "god", the human being called Adam.
In TE, there is not a fall of Adam and of his dominion, but there is a continous ongoing upward struggle to advance to some state of eternal godhood.
TE has no need for the Gospel of Savlation in the New Man name, because there is no fall of the old man Adam and so no first death entering the world at that fall of Adam.
TE there is no corruption entering Adam's dominion because of that fall, but there is a world corrupt from the beginning, filled with nothing good and glorious, but only of that which is evil and debauched.
In TE, there is no creation of Adam as the human being son of God, whose body was formed on day six -days of six evenings and six monings- from the dust of the adamah [ground].
In TE, there is no "Adam son of God" whose body was made in the image of God. -In fact; made in the image of God the Word, who was to come [Romans 5:14].
In TE there is no fall from the glory indwelling the Adam as a human being son of God, and no corruption entering the world [globe] as a direct result of the fall of it's "god", the human being called Adam.
In TE, there is not a fall of Adam and of his dominion, but there is a continous ongoing upward struggle to advance to some state of eternal godhood.
TE has no need for the Gospel of Savlation in the New Man name, because there is no fall of the old man Adam and so no first death entering the world at that fall of Adam.
TE there is no corruption entering Adam's dominion because of that fall, but there is a world corrupt from the beginning, filled with nothing good and glorious, but only of that which is evil and debauched.
I do not know on what basis one would describe a world prior to the fall as "evil and debauched". Until humanity sinned, the world was described by its Maker as "very good".
-But described by TE-ists as a world filled with death and corruption. Even the TE-ist think God gave an evolved souless beast which was subject to death and corruption, a soul, and called that beast with soul "Adam" -but that is heresy indeed, for all animals that breathe are souls.
For that matter, I do not know of any scripture which describes the non-human world as "corrupt" even after human sin. Certainly it was no longer a place where humanity felt at home. It resisted human attempts to cultivate the soil, producing thorns and thistles along with grain. Paul describes it as having been subjected to futility and decay.
The "adamah" that all beasts were brought forth from and from which Adam's flesh body is formed was and is cursed. Whatever comes of that Adamah from that time is defiled and subject to decay/corruption
decay is corruption.
Only Jesus' New Man body was not subject to corruption when He willingly gave His life for our redemption and departed His Glorious body and remained absent from it for three days and three nights [72 hours]; because "the prince of this world had nothing in Him" and so His body was not subject to corruption.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
That the human body is the image of God is unfortunately a growing modern heresy (and a violation of the 2nd commandment). No material thing is an image of the invisible God who, as Jesus reminds us, is Spirit. For 2,000 years Christians (and Jews for even longer) have clearly taught that the image of God is not a bodily image.
God made His own image of Himself: Adam, and no, God did not break the second commandment when He made Adam in His own image -and making an image is not forbidden in the commandments, but making an image to worship it as a god is forbidden. YHWH commanded Moses to make images of Cherubim to cover the Mercy Seat -and no, He did not break the Commandment to do so.
The Word of God teaches, only, that Adam is made in the physical image of God the Word; the second Person in YHWH. There is no such doctrine of Adam's body formed from the adamah of this creation being made in some 'spiritual image of an unseen spirit" -how contradictory to claim such a thing! And the One Image of YHWH whom all created beings do "See", is God the Word. He is "YHWH Seen", from the beginning.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image/tselem, after our likeness/demuwth: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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The Person of God the Word is always YHWH Seen. Moses saw Him.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of YHWH shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, as I [was] among the captives by the river of Chebar, [that] the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
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The created kinds of sons of God are called ben elohym and individually they are sometimes called el.
The first human being was indeed created as a sar=ruler, an elohym. He is called Adam, son of God, in Luke 3:38. -and BTW; the TE fall of Adam is more related to Mormonism than to the true record of creation and the fall of the god of the earth, Adam, as it is written of in Genesis 1-3.
The Redeemer/Kinsman of Adam who has ransomed the kingdom back, which Adam lost, is the second human being, the Son of Man who is the God of the whole earth; and as second Man He is the "Everlasting [Human Being[ Father", and is "God-Mighty God-Israel" who wrestled with Jacob [YHWH of hosts; Hosea 12"3-5] and gave Jacob His New Man name; "Isra-el".
Psa 82:1 [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] God standeth in the congregation of the El; he judgeth among the gods/Elohym...Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] elohym; and all of you [are] ben Elohym..
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like Adam," נפל naphal אחד 'echad שר sar" -Adam is the one prince that is fallen, and the threat YHWH gives the elohym is that they will die like the one prince, Adam. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=82&v=1&t=KJV#conc/7
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer/Kinsman the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of Adam above upon it.
Rom 5:14 Adam .... is the figure/typos of him that was to come.
typos1) the mark of a stroke or blow, print
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image/tselem of God made he Adam. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=9&v=6&t=KJV#conc/6
Certainly that is God's plan for us, to be seated together with Jesus Christ in the heavenlies Eph 2:6. I suppose you could read that back into the story of Adam and say he was meant to have taken his seat there too. But that is not a point the bible makes, so it is hard to claim the rejection of your inference here is a rejection of some fundamental aspect of the gospel.He was made to ascend to and sit upon the throne of Glory in the heavenlies, when the Royal assemblies were called. He would have, too, if he had passed the test. He would have always represented his seed there. He died in the fall and never ascended to that throne.
You can read about that throne in Enoch, which the Son of Man will sit upon and rule the kingdom from.
Satan wanted that throne. He had a certain "light bearer" all "pumped up" to believe that he could take it, too [Isa 14:13-14 ; and possibly the same Cherub as Eze 28:13-15:].
But Jesus ransomed the earth and got the right to it, though, as the "Son of Man".
We who are redeemed are waiting for the call for our time of assembly in the heavenlies, when we will be gathered to Him at the time of the "laqach"/rapture of us, to be with Him where He is, and we will be rewarded with thrones of glory to sit upon, by Him. -the theme of redemption "back", is "for the Glory".
Very true. I was thrown by Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. But that is the only verse that translates ish and ishyah that way. But the point remains ish and ishyah are the common hebrew words for man and wife.Actually, the sexual term for male and female is zakar and nĕqebah;. Genesis 1:27; Gen 5:2; and so on and so forth.
You find that allegorical reading of Genesis in Eph 5:31 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. However just because Paul find a deep allegorical significance, a profound mystery, in the picture of husband and wife in Genesis, it does not mean every time the bible speaks of husband and wife it is talking about Adam and Eve or Christ and the Church. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Malachi was talking about a husband divorcing the wife of his youth, and how much God hates divorce, what basis is there to think God 'making one' refers to Adam and Eve, rather than the man divorcing his wife and destroying the covenant bond?The words ish and ishyah first appear in Genesis 2:22,23. YHWH Elohym took a rib from Adam and built an ishyah for Adam. Adam called her "ishyah" for she was taken out f the ish. IN vs 24, then, an Adam ish shall leave his 'ab and 'em and be joined to his Adam ishyah; they are one/echad basar/flesh/. one kind.
In Hosea 2 YHWH is "not the Ish" of Israel; but then in the same chapter He says that they will call Him "My Ish" when they are brought back and restored to Him, as "His Ishyah".
The "Church" is the Ishyah of Christ. She is personified as Zion of the Spirit; the heavenly Jerusalem; the mother of all the redeemed; the City of God; and she is the one in whom the second Man was "laid" as the Chief Cornerstone of the second temple called "human being".
Being joined to the Living Spirit and being the Ishyah of Christ belongs to the namesake people of the New Man name, "Israel".
All the redeemed are joined to that One Livng Spirit, who is come in flesh, and are joined by the adoption, which is called being "born again"; and which adoption "pertains to Israel" but is offered to all Gentiles [Isaiah 49], and made possible to all Adamkind only by the blood of Atonement, offered once for all, by the Kinsman/Redeemer.
Malachi makes the purpose of marraige a sacred and holy thing from the beginning, when He made them [the male and the female] one/echad, because he sought sons of God =godly seed, for Himself, by that making of the male and female Adam "one" spirit. Marraige itself is for God's purpose of getting the sons of God of the human being kind by the multiplication of the seed created in the loins of the male Adam.
Of course, there is the pleasure of the company that He designed for those who were joined together to do His will and multiply the seed. And of course since the fall, all the seed of the 'em are born dead and are not sons of God.
But they must come forth as they are already written in the Book of Life to be sons of God. But now they come forth needing to be born again into the New Man name to be sons of God. But that is how He now gets the sons He sought for His Glory to indwell, when He made them male and female, in the beginning, and one spirit.
-But described by TE-ists as a world filled with death and corruption.I do not know on what basis one would describe a world prior to the fall as "evil and debauched". Until humanity sinned, the world was described by its Maker as "very good".
Even the TE-ist think God gave an evolved souless beast which was subject to death and corruption, a soul, and called that beast with soul "Adam" -but that is heresy indeed, for all animals that breathe are souls. [/B]
The "adamah" that all beasts were brought forth from and from which Adam's flesh body is formed was and is cursed. Whatever comes of that Adamah from that time is defiled and subject to decay/corruption
decay is corruption.
[/I][/U]Only Jesus' New Man body was not subject to corruption when He willingly gave His life for our redemption and departed His Glorious body and remained absent from it for three days and three nights [72 hours]; because "the prince of this world had nothing in Him" and so His body was not subject to corruption.
[/COLOR][/B]Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
gluadys said:That the human body is the image of God is unfortunately a growing modern heresy (and a violation of the 2nd commandment). No material thing is an image of the invisible God who, as Jesus reminds us, is Spirit. For 2,000 years Christians (and Jews for even longer) have clearly taught that the image of God is not a bodily image.
God made His own image of Himself: Adam,
making an image is not forbidden in the commandments
The Word of God teaches, only, that Adam is made in the physical image of God the Word
There is no such doctrine of Adam's body formed from the adamah of this creation being made in some 'spiritual image of an unseen spirit"
Certainly that is God's plan for us, to be seated together with Jesus Christ in the heavenlies Eph 2:6. I suppose you could read that back into the story of Adam and say he was meant to have taken his seat there too. But that is not a point the bible makes, so it is hard to claim the rejection of your inference here is a rejection of some fundamental aspect of the gospel.
However Paul, was talking about God's plan from before the foundation of the world, for those chosen in Christ and predestined for every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places. Even if Adam is one of the redeemed, God's plan, from before the foundation of the world for him to be seated in the heavenly places, was only after he had been redeemed and raised up by Christ.
Adam is the name of our kind, and the head of our kind was promised the redemption by the Seed of the Woman in the same day that he fell and was cast out of the Garden -and we fell in him, because we were the seed in his loins who were already written in the Book of Life, to come into our being in "Adam". as "sons of God" -of the human kind.
And Paul read Enoch and made many comments in his writings based on what he read in Enoch; just as Jesus, John, Peter, and the womb brothers of Jesus, Jude and James, did. Paul is making his remarks only because of the revelations given to Enoch. -Paul writes of not one thing that is not already written before him, in Enoch, in Jasher, and in Moses [the Law] and the prophets.
Bacteria, protists, fungi and plants are created spirits clothed with their own "houses" for the individuals multiplied in the kind to wear, but they are not living souls.I will comment on corruption later. For the moment let us consider death.
It is an incontrovertible fact that bacteria, protists, fungi, plants and animals died before humans ever existed.
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Indeed not. Another reason not to consider the earthly body to be the image of God. Commentators have usually equated the "image of God" from the 1st creation story with the "breath of life" in the 2nd creation story, not with the body made from the dust of the earth.
Scripture does indeed say His body of second Man creation was not subject to death and corruption. -And if He had not "taken it back up" it would never, ever, evwer, have decayed, for Satan "possessed nothing in Himf [in His flesh]", which death and corruption do have in "all" Adamkind. The Adam body is called "the body of death".If his body was immune to corruption, it wouldn't matter if it was buried for 72 years. But scripture doesn't say his body was immune to corruption. It says he was raised from the dead and Peter confirms that the Psalmist was referring to the resurrection.
Bacteria, protists, fungi and plants are created spirits clothed with their own "houses" for the individuals multiplied in the kind to wear, but they are not living souls.
"Commentators equate"? -Ignorance by consensus does not make wisdom revealed. Your "commentators equations" then, are making all animals that breathe to be made in the image of God. Indeed; "professing themselves to be wise, they have become fools".
"Stories" denigrates the Word of God.
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