good evil and sin

[michael32948]

did god create good and evil also sin. with out these there would be no need 4 god.

 

[iamjcs]

did god create good and evil also sin. with out these there would be no need 4 god.

Yes there would be.

1st of all, He is the Creator God which means without Him, there would be no planets, including Earth, MUCH LESS humans.

The first sin meantioned came when Satan, a top angel just under Jesus, became jealous of Jesus.
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[michael32948]

People who pray 2 god either want something, sined asking forgiveness, need help with something, how many pray and ask 4 nothing. think about it.

 

[michael32948]

if there was no sin, no evil, everybody would b perfect, therefor we would be like god. we would b perfect.

 

[iamjcs]

Even Adam & Eve BEFORE sinning had a relationship with God.

 

[FaithfulWife]

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[iamjcs]

People who pray 2 god either want something, sined asking forgiveness, need help with something, how many pray and ask 4 nothing. think about it.

Those who consider Christ their best friend as well as their Savior & God, talk to Him as they would a Christian friend.
The biggest advantage is knowing He will keep our secrets & never hurt us.
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Thanking Him for what ALL He has done.

 

[StevenMerten]

did god create good and evil also sin. with out these there would be no need 4 god.

Hello Michael,

God has no need for evil and sin. God alows freedom from the control of His will in order to attain human gifts of love for God. One cannot love God without the freedom to choose not to love God. To obey God is love for God. To disobey God is hatred for God. Many choose not to love God. The only thing in existance worth allowing evil, sin and damnation for, is Love.

Peace
Steven
INT 1JO 5:3

This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.​

INT JOH 14:15

"If you love me, you will obey what I command."

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NAB JOH 15:22

"If I had not come to them and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; now, however, their sin cannot be excused. To hate me is to hate my Father. Had I not performed such works among them as no one has ever done before, they would not be guilty of sin; but as it is, they have seen, and they go on hating me and my Father." ​

NAB SIR 15:11 Man's Free Will.

Say not: "It was God's doing that I fell away"; for what he hates he does not do. Say not: "It was he who set me astray"; for he has no need of wicked man. Abominable wickedness the LORD hates, he does not let it befall those who fear him. When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice. If you choose you can keep the commandments; it is loyalty to do his will. There are set before you fire and water; to whichever you choose, stretch forth your hand. Before man are life and death, whichever he chooses shall be given him.​

 

[msortwell]

Where does the Bible expressly teach that God gives us freedom for the purpose of allow us to choose Him – to choose to love Him? He allows sin, in part, because it affords the opportunity for His grace to be shown. I see in the Scriptures the declaration that God chose us for the glory of His grace and for His glory.

“3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.” (Eph 1:3-12 AV)

 

[Benoni]

Yes there would be.

1st of all, He is the Creator God which means without Him, there would be no planets, including Earth, MUCH LESS humans.

The first sin meantioned came when Satan, a top angel just under Jesus, became jealous of Jesus.
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Satan was never an angel; that is another lie. Satan cannot have two beginnings; look a little deeper.

God caused the fall according to God's Word not my opinion.


Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse.
You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope


Man has no choose, freewill to follow God; in fact the Bible teaches totally too contrary. It was God who caused the fall. And it is God who has a plan to fix it.

It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

It was God not little Adam and Eve who caused the fall, it was God not little Adam who planned as well as set up Adam and Eve to sin; it is God not Little Adam and Eve who declares: You (God) turn man to destruction, Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse, the creation (A)was subjected to (B)futility, not willingly, But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it.

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Romans 8:20 (NLT) Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse.But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay.

(NASB) 20Forthe creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned 21 to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have

 

[Hismessenger]

Satan was the Angel Lucifer which means light bearer. I believe that He was or would have been the chief angel and that is why He came to be where he is at. Pride of authority . The word says that He was a liar from the beginning so he has not two beginnings but rather the time it took for His true purpose to come forth in Him.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Satan was the angel Lucifer.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

A cherub is most definitely an angel that is near to the throne of God.

As for two beginnings, He only had one which was to become the son of perdition which is his main purpose in the earth. God said He was a lair from the beginning. It took time for his true inner self to reveal him. but He is guilty as charged.

hismessenger