God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

Dan Perez · Aug 2, 2021

BABerean2 said:
When a New Testament author quotes a verse from the Old Testament to show its fulfillment, is that something you do not understand?

Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

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Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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And many will never see that Jer 31:31 says that the NEW COVENANT is made with Israel and with Judah and does NOT say with the Body of Christ .

Verse 32 , the Old Covenant was made with Israel's Fathers , the ones Christ took out of Egypt .

OLD COVENANT means the Old Law of Moses which is also called OLD TESTAMENT .

The New Covenant is also called the NEW TESTAMENT .

OLD DIATHEKE , means Old Covenant

NEW DIATHEKE , means NEW TESTAMENT .

dan p

BABerean2 · Aug 2, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And many will never see that Jer 31:31 says that the NEW COVENANT is made with Israel and with Judah and does NOT say with the Body of Christ .

Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" came into the New Covenant through faith in Christ?

The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

The only way to make your man-made doctrine work is by ignoring scripture, and the passage above is one example.

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Dan Perez · Aug 2, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" came into the New Covenant through faith in Christ?

The Gentiles were not grafted into the Church until several years later.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

The only way to make your man-made doctrine work is by ignoring scripture, and the passage above is one example.

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And are you saying that WATER BAPTISIM saved people and that Rom 10:9 is null and void and that we are not saved by GRACE , Eph 2:8 ??

So do you believe FAITH and WORKS ??

dan p

BABerean2 · Aug 3, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And are you saying that WATER BAPTISIM saved people and that Rom 10:9 is null and void and that we are not saved by GRACE , Eph 2:8 ??

So do you believe FAITH and WORKS ??

dan p

The word "water" is not in the text. You added that part.

The most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water, as proven by the scripture below. Many people are like you. They automatically see water when they read the word.

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Dan Perez · Aug 3, 2021

BABerean2 said:
The word "water" is not in the text. You added that part.

The most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water, as proven by the scripture below. Many people are like you. They automatically see water when they read the word.

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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And how would some one that has been ANLOINTED teacheth you all things , wonder if that anointing should the explain

BABerean2 · Aug 4, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And how would some one that has been ANLOINTED teacheth you all things , wonder if that anointing should the explain

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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Dan Perez · Aug 5, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

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And what things is the Holy Spirit , brings to your remembrance , FOR TODAY ?

I do not see your CONTEXT , is it for today , or points to the FUTURE ?

Like Mark 16:17-18 , will you explain to us ??

DAN P

BABerean2 · Aug 5, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And what things is the Holy Spirit , brings to your remembrance , FOR TODAY ?

I do not see your CONTEXT , is it for today , or points to the FUTURE ?

Like Mark 16:17-18 , will you explain to us ??

DAN P

How much of the New Testament written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is meant for us today?

Based on the scripture below, how important is the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer?

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Dan Perez · Aug 5, 2021

BABerean2 said:
How much of the New Testament written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is meant for us today?

Based on the scripture below, how important is the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer?

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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And is this anointing for the Old testament or just fornthe NEW TESTAMENT ?

And if this anointing is for the OLD TESTAMENT , what is your thoughts of Isa 6:1-13 ?

If this anointing is ONLY for the NEW TESTAMENT , need your anointing on 1 Cor 15:29 ?

dan p

And if this

BABerean2 · Aug 5, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And is this anointing for the Old testament or just fornthe NEW TESTAMENT ?

And if this anointing is for the OLD TESTAMENT , what is your thoughts of Isa 6:1-13 ?

If this anointing is ONLY for the NEW TESTAMENT , need your anointing on 1 Cor 15:29 ?

dan p

And if this

Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

Christ told Nicodemus nobody can enter the kingdom of God without being "born-again" of the Spirit of God. Based on the way Christ talked to Nicodemus, it was something Nicodemus should have known.

John the Baptist was indwelled by the Spirit in his mother's womb.
His mother and father also had the Spirit.

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Dan Perez · Aug 6, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

Christ told Nicodemus nobody can enter the kingdom of God without being "born-again" of the Spirit of God. Based on the way Christ talked to Nicodemus, it was something Nicodemus should have known.

John the Baptist was indwelled by the Spirit in his mother's womb.
His mother and father also had the Spirit.

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And in Luke 1:41 and read it again , as it says , " and Elisabeth was filled with Holy Spirit and not John .

John 3:3 is what I see in John 3:3 .

UNTO HIM /AUTOS is a Personal Possessive Pronoun , Dative Case

The Greek words UNTO THEE / SOI is also the same as above PPP

The Greek word EXCEPT /ME is a Disjunctive Particle Negative

The Greek words A MAN /TIS is an Indefinite Pronoun

The Greek BE BORN / GENNAO is in the Subjuctive Mood , WHY ??

The Greek word CANNOT /OV is a DISJUCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE .

The Greek word CANNOT means that no one that is not BORN AGAIN will never see the Kingdom of God .

The question than is DOES everyone have to be BORN AGAIN /

Was ADAM and EVE than noT see the Kingdom of God ??

Are they LOST ?

Are they saved ??

What say you ??????

The Greek word UNTO/SOI is also a Personal Possessive Pronoun

The Greek word EXCEPT / ME is a Disdjuctive Particle Negative

The Greek word A MAN /TIS is an Indefinite Pronoun

BABerean2 · Aug 6, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And in Luke 1:41 and read it again , as it says , " and Elisabeth was filled with Holy Spirit and not John .

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

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Dan Perez · Aug 6, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

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And I will mention 2 things that all people fail to see .

And in Luke 1:15 it reads , and he ( John ) shall be filled with Holy Spirit

The Greek text reads he SHALL BE FILLED , with Holy Spirit .

The Greek word THE is not in the Greek text .

Also the Greek words , HE SHALL BE FILLED / PIMPLEMI is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .

When the Greek article " the " is not used , it means that when JOHN'S was filled with the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT and not the INDWELLING of the HOLY SPIRIT .like what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 12:13 .

dan p

Dan Perez · Aug 6, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And I will mention 2 things that all people fail to see .

And in Luke 1:15 it reads , and he ( John ) shall be filled with Holy Spirit

The Greek text reads he SHALL BE FILLED , with Holy Spirit .

The Greek word THE is not in the Greek text .

Also the Greek words , HE SHALL BE FILLED / PIMPLEMI is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .

When the Greek article " the " is not used , it means that when JOHN'S was filled with the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT and not the INDWELLING of the HOLY SPIRIT .like what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 12:13 .

As to why John had the POWER of Holy Spirit is because as growing up John , in versen15 and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink .

Also notice that the Greek word NEITHER is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE in another way od saying that HE NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRR Ever drank WINE nor Strong Drink .

dan p

BABerean2 · Aug 6, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And I will mention 2 things that all people fail to see .

And in Luke 1:15 it reads , and he ( John ) shall be filled with Holy Spirit

The Greek text reads he SHALL BE FILLED , with Holy Spirit .

The Greek word THE is not in the Greek text .

Also the Greek words , HE SHALL BE FILLED / PIMPLEMI is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD .

When the Greek article " the " is not used , it means that when JOHN'S was filled with the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT and not the INDWELLING of the HOLY SPIRIT .like what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 12:13 .

dan p

Luke 1:15

(ESV) for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

(ESV+) for he will be R5great before the Lord. And R6he must not drink wine or strong R7drink, and R7he will be R8filled with the Holy Spirit, R9even from his mother's womb.

(Geneva) For he shalbe great in the sight of the Lord, and shall neither drinke wine, nor strong drinke: and he shalbe filled with the holy Ghost, euen from his mothers wombe.

(GW) As far as the Lord is concerned, he will be a great man. He will never drink wine or any other liquor. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

(KJV) For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

(KJV+) ForG1063 he shall beG2071 greatG3173 in the sightG1799 of theG3588 Lord,G2962 andG2532 shall drinkG4095 neitherG3364 wineG3631 norG2532 strong drink;G4608 andG2532 he shall be filledG4130 with the HolyG40 Ghost,G4151 evenG2089 fromG1537 hisG848 mother'sG3384 womb.G2836

(NKJV) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

(NLT) for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

(YLT) for he shall be great before the Lord, and wine and strong drink he may not drink, and of the Holy Spirit he shall be full, even from his mother's womb;

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Dan Perez · Aug 7, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Luke 1:15

(ESV) for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

(ESV+) for he will be R5great before the Lord. And R6he must not drink wine or strong R7drink, and R7he will be R8filled with the Holy Spirit, R9even from his mother's womb.

(Geneva) For he shalbe great in the sight of the Lord, and shall neither drinke wine, nor strong drinke: and he shalbe filled with the holy Ghost, euen from his mothers wombe.

(GW) As far as the Lord is concerned, he will be a great man. He will never drink wine or any other liquor. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.

(KJV) For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

(KJV+) ForG1063 he shall beG2071 greatG3173 in the sightG1799 of theG3588 Lord,G2962 andG2532 shall drinkG4095 neitherG3364 wineG3631 norG2532 strong drink;G4608 andG2532 he shall be filledG4130 with the HolyG40 Ghost,G4151 evenG2089 fromG1537 hisG848 mother'sG3384 womb.G2836

(NKJV) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

(NLT) for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

(YLT) for he shall be great before the Lord, and wine and strong drink he may not drink, and of the Holy Spirit he shall be full, even from his mother's womb;

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And in KJV+ you have the word NEITHER / UN and G 3364 and looking it up in STRONG"S it is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE .

dan p

BABerean2 · Aug 8, 2021

Dan Perez said:
And in KJV+ you have the word NEITHER / UN and G 3364 and looking it up in STRONG"S it is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE .

dan p

Do you believe all of the Greek scholars got it wrong, except for you?

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FredVB · Aug 8, 2021

Israel was always greatly valued by God and God will not forget promises made to Israel.

BABerean2 · Aug 9, 2021

FredVB said:
Israel was always greatly valued by God and God will not forget promises made to Israel.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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Dan Perez · Aug 9, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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And then we SHOULD have seen Israel in ALL their LAND promised to the 12 Tribes .

We would have also seen the 12 apostles sitting on 12 THRONES and also seen King David sitting on his Throne and also see all the Jews that were resurrected .

dan p

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