God's TEN commandments: Bend or Edit them?

BobRyan said:

As already given in my answer above --

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Then we have the argument that attacking Ellen White would solve the logical fallacies in their arguments as listed above even though they know full well that the pro-Sunday sources arguing in favor of the continued 4th Commandment binding on the saints today - are not making an appeal to the writings of Ellen White. #744

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You then circle back to your already-answered-question because you have no genuine interest in the subject.

in Christ,

Bob

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No they don't. You submit partial context as the full context. A half lie is a full lie. Not one single one of your sources support the 7th day Sabbath as Bugkiller pointed out to you in your formal debate with him. Bugkiller quoted more of your sources showing they weren't doing as you contend. They even say the Christian Sabbath is Sunday, the 1st day of the week. While another says it can be any day of one's choosing. No I didn't post direct quotes. Do I need to repeat them yet again? Why? You've already ignored them at least twice.

BobRyan said:

This question was asked numerous times on this section of the board recently and answered numerous times - here is one of them #[FONT=&quot]744http://www.christianforums.com/t7802949-75/#post65412506

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But in general -- we have this so far.

1. First Larry opens with classic "factless Larry rant" which must be deleted for the sake of the reader. #628

2. Then he unwittingly makes my case for point 7 (of the 7 point list #2 ) for pro-Sunday sources BCF and WCF. #182

And so of course - I keep reminding him that "bending the 4th commandment to point to week-day-1" is the 7th point in my list on post #2. (see this in #114 )


3. Then he makes the case for all 7 of those points by pointing us to RCC sources #186 as if he had never read the RCC position on this subject.


4. Then FromScratch argues that a verbatim quote from D.L. Moody's major point on the 4th commandment is "misleading" simply because Moody is making all 7 of the points in my list. #741


5. Even ProgMonk cannot make the case stick that the term "Sabbath" in the NT does not apply to "week-day-1" #184

then they suppose that by repeating these flawed tactics "often" it will befuddle someone who is an objective Bible student.

Who goes for such tactics?.

Then we have the argument that attacking Ellen White would solve the logical fallacies in their arguments as listed above even though they know full well that the pro-Sunday sources arguing in favor of the continued 4th Commandment binding on the saints today - are not making an appeal to the writings of Ellen White. #744

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in each case... data... .evidence from both the Bible and from even pro-Sunday sources so obviously opposed to those who are at war with God's TEN Commandments.


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Because that is how you treat data... evidence.... facts... that do not agree with your bias.

I think we can see that.

But just because you yourself are opposed to evidence contrary to your bias does not mean that this data... evidence...facts.. should not be presented.

And the endless vitriol, acrimony, diatribe, ad hominem that those use who join you in your "at war with the TEN Commandments" when presented with data... evidence...facts... - is evident in almost all of their posts.

Notice that in the many quotes provided in the on-topic posts -- You refuse to acknowledge the quotes and certainly don't refute or discuss them in any way apart from offhanded sweeping assertions no evidence provided.

I point out that the mind-numbing tactic of simply opposing me by using those quotes and making my point for me - when it comes to the 7 point list - is not the all-impressive solution that some have "imagined to themselves".

you keep questioning me in that regard as if the point is not obvious - which simply means you are not reading the posts.

in Christ,

Bob

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I guess I'll simply have to make a data file to copy and post. I get tired of saying the same truths over and over to simply have them throw out with the trash. And I'm talking both Bible and quotes from the same sources you do ad nauseam.

BobRyan said:

They use the mind-numbing tactic of "making my points for me" in that 7 point list by showing that pro-Sunday sources 'keep Sunday" while claiming that they have a bent Sabbath Commandment.

Where is the stellar logic in that that you would like to have me respond to???

I had already made that point obvious in the 7 point list.

in Christ,

Bob

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I think bending the law is your idea. I haven't seen your sources say such a thing.

BobRyan said:

As has been shown those at war with all 7 points listed above can barely hide it - if at all.

in Christ,

Bob

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Yes and your Moody quote has him calling Sunday the Sabbath. Because he isn't speaking in legalism terms you insist he's talking about the 7th day Sabbath. Bugkiller clearly showed in quoting Moody that Moody talks about Sunday as the Sabbath. You refuse to acknowledge this fact without continued quoting. That simply doesn't change the facts.

from scratch said:

Yes and your Moody quote has him calling Sunday the Sabbath. Because he isn't speaking in legalism terms you insist he's talking about the 7th day Sabbath. Bugkiller clearly showed in quoting Moody that Moody talks about Sunday as the Sabbath. You refuse to acknowledge this fact without continued quoting. That simply doesn't change the facts.

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The truth to the SDA adherent seems to be relative in that one can bend it to fit their beliefs just as they bend the law to suit themselves. If you look at their doctrine one can see that they don't seem to have logic as a strong suit therefore using truth and logic won't get you anywhere IMO.

Sophrosyne said:

The truth to the SDA adherent seems to be relative in that one can bend it to fit their beliefs just as they bend the law to suit themselves. If you look at their doctrine one can see that they don't seem to have logic as a strong suit therefore using truth and logic won't get you anywhere IMO.

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The SDA church is absolutely based on lies. Its foundation happened in 1844. Nothing happened that year! It was an utterly disastrous false prophecy. Their own top theologian Raymond Cottrell has thoroughly debunked the church's interpretation of Daniel 8:14, and demonstrated that particular prophecy was fulfilled several hundred years before Christ's death. The mutant child of 1844 is the horrifying anti-Christian doctrine of the Investigative Judgment, which has been denounced and trashed by ALL of their theologians. There isn't even a suspicion of a biblical basis for it. Their own theologians have denounced founding prophet Ellen White as a pathological liar, an massive lifetime compulsive thief and a false prophet to the core.

That is why they obsess so much about the Sabbath. It is all they have left, and only then by completely ignoring Early Church History. Ellen White lied so much about the history of the Early Church, their top Sabbath scholar Dr. Samuele Bachiochi, by telling the partial truth about the history (He said Sunday worship was unanimous no later than 135 AD, and began immediatley after the Resurrection), that 99 percent of their original arguments for it are completely gone. It is a church founded on deliberate deceit and fraud and nearly all of even THAT basis has been removed by its own theologians. Not much there, other than the same proof texts used by the First Century Judaizing and Ebionite heresies that were quickly expelled and excommunicated by the Apostles and their disciples.