God's Prophetic Clock. :)

[@@Paul@@]

I’ve been studying the prophecy of Daniel’s 70 weeks > and trying to figure out WHY there is a “gap”… The bible always provides an explanation; we just have to find it. Here’s what I “think”, I welcome any comments...

First we need to compare how man records time with how God records time. We know God is outside of time, a day to the Lord is like 1000 years AND 1000 years is as a day. Paul’s first speech in Acts records 570 years from the exodus TO the reign of Solomon.

The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it. And about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.
(Act 13:17-18 KJV)​

………Paul counts 40 years from the “exodus” to the promised land of Canaan

And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot. And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.
(Act 13:19-20 KJV)​

………Paul counts 450 years from entrance into Canaan until Samuel the prophet.

And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.
(Act 13:21 KJV)​

………Then we have Saul reigning for 40 years.

And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
(Act 13:22 KJV)​

………Likewise, we know David reigned for 40 years (and was followed by Solomon).

All that totals up to 570 years from the Exodus to the reign of Solomon. However in 1 Kings we have a different time period mentioned.

1Ki 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.​

………in the 480th year from the exodus was in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign. So if subtract 3 year (3 years of Solomon’s reign had passed) from 480 that equals 477 years from the Exodus TO the reign of Solomon. Yet Paul recorded this as a 570 year time span; a discrepancy of 93 years.

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Let’s take a step back into the Judges period; where Israel was in and out of captivity.

Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years.
(Jdg 3:8 KJV)
And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek, and went and smote Israel, and possessed the city of palm trees. So the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years.
(Jdg 3:13-14 KJV)
And the LORD sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles. And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.
(Jdg 4:2-3 KJV)
And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian seven years.
(Jdg 6:1 KJV)
And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years.
(Jdg 13:1 KJV)​

….oddly, Israel was in captivity and served “other” kings for approx. 93 years, the difference between Paul’s addition and the Lord’s…

So what am I proposing?? God does not count “prophetic time” when His people are captive and unusable… The 490 years prophesied in Daniel does not have to be continuous; In God’s eyes. ……….in the 490th year from when the temple was rebuilt, He will return.

 

[bleechers]

Bingo.

 

[@@Paul@@]

Bingo.

Now for the fun part!!

My problem is this...

Leaving aside any pre-conceived notion of when God's prophetic clock stopped... take a look at these verses in Daniel.

Dan 9:25-27 KJV
(25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

By problem (with common interpretations) has always been, with the explaination of the 7 weeks + 62 weeks in verse 25.

For whatever reason (i'll give my understanding on this in a sec.), God choose to split the first 69 weeks into TWO sections........ 7 weeks + 62 weeks. But yet in verse 26 was have a period of 62 weeks UNTIL the Messiah comes... I see no reason to count the 62 weeks until the Messiah from the original 7th week - simply by the wording. It clearly says "And AFTER" 62 weeks.. as in after the clock starts ticking...

Here are some additional thoughts.

1) there is ALOT that has to happen for ALL prophesy to be fulfilled regarding the second coming. Everything that happened during the Acts has to happen AGAIN (if it wasn't "true" the first time)... i.e. IF God was done with Israel at the cross then all that Joel prophesied which Peter said was happening in Acts 2, has to happen again. - Revelations clearly explains what happens during that 7 years - the entire prophesy of Joel is not found in there (so it must happen prior).

2) We know Elijah must come FIRST to restore all things > from the "raptured" church into a jewish Kingdom ministry. I suppose this could happen during the first 3.5 years, but it seems highly unlikely. It would be restored, to be instantly destroyed.

3) There are already churches set up at the beginning of Revelation. These are kingdom churches whose goal is to overcome and whose prize is to rule and reign with Christ. - As this is not the program of today, a MAJOR change must take place first.​

Hopefully that provoked some thoughts.

Another note: When God FIRST called Abraham, Abram was told to leave his family... But we know He disobeyed and brought his father-in-law. God's prophetic clock STOPPED until Abraham's father-in-law died.... It wasn't until after Lot's death did Abraham receive another revelation from God.

..............You disobey, the clock stops. If Israel is bondage and unusable by God, the clock stops (or doesn't start)...

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.​

...The reason the time period is split was to note the time when Israel was unusable AND to note the time WHEN the clock would start. As I’ve shown in the first post, God does not count prophetic time if Israel is in bondage. Thus, from the command to rebuild UNTIL the clock starts (Israel would be usable by God when they had a Temple), it would be a period of 49years (7 weeks); Then after 434 years (62 weeks) until the messiah was cut-off.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:​

Oddly enough, this fits into the wording of verse 26.. After 62 weeks, He would be cut off… Which would leave 8 weeks (56 years) to be completed.

 

[153fishes]

wish I had more time to explain... I don't for now

The messiah was cut off in the midst of his week. Jesus was killed 3 1/2 years into his ministry. this was half way through Daniel's 7oth week. the first half of the last 7 years.

 

[MbiaJc]

Quote originally posted by @@Paul@@
The reason the time period is split was to note the time when Israel was unusable AND to note the time WHEN the clock would start. As I’ve shown in the first post, God does not count prophetic time if Israel is in bondage. Thus, from the command to rebuild UNTIL the clock starts (Israel would be usable by God when they had a Temple), it would be a period of 49years (7 weeks); Then after 434 years (62 weeks) until the messiah was cut-off.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:​

Oddly enough, this fits into the wording of verse 26.. After 62 weeks, He would be cut off… Which would leave 8 weeks (56 years) to be completed.
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No there would not be but 1 weeks left, for it took 7 weeks to rebuild the temple. 7x7=49+62x7=(434+49)=483yr

From the Commandment to rebuild till the temple was finished was 7 weeds (49Yr). From the time the temple was finished till messiah is cut off is 62 weeks434 yr). Which leaves 1 week(7Yr).

You have some good thoughts.

The problem I am having is with the remaining week. Was part of it taken up with the destruction of Jerouslem in 70AD. Or is the destruction of the temple in 70AD not even counted in the 70 weeks? Which I am beginning to believe. However if that right would the temple and animal sackefice system will haft to be restored again? Which Ezekiel temple(the millimum)temple is tha only other temple to be built that I know of. Which that shoots a hole in a temple being built at the end of this age, unless it is not destroyed by the Gentiles in the fighting that will take place before and after Christ return.

 

[@@Paul@@]

wish I had more time to explain... I don't for now

The messiah was cut off in the midst of his week. Jesus was killed 3 1/2 years into his ministry. this was half way through Daniel's 7oth week. the first half of the last 7 years.

oh i've got to hear this one...

 

[@@Paul@@]

No there would not be but 1 weeks left, for it took 7 weeks to rebuild the temple. 7x7=49+62x7=(434+49)=483yr

From the Commandment to rebuild till the temple was finished was 7 weeds (49Yr). From the time the temple was finished till messiah is cut off is 62 weeks434 yr). Which leaves 1 week(7Yr).

You have some good thoughts.

The problem I am having is with the remaining week. Was part of it taken up with the destruction of Jerouslem in 70AD. Or is the destruction of the temple in 70AD not even counted in the 70 weeks? Which I am beginning to believe. However if that right would the temple and animal sackefice system will haft to be restored again? Which Ezekiel temple(the millimum)temple is tha only other temple to be built that I know of. Which that shoots a hole in a temple being built at the end of this age, unless it is not destroyed by the Gentiles in the fighting that will take place before and after Christ return.
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Hi MbiaJc, thanks for the thoughts. That’s exactly why I started studying this; things just did not line up.

I do not believe 49 weeks started the 70 weeks, nor is it really clear that the “one week” ends it. I truly believe the 49 was a counter to WHEN the clock would start…. This would leave 56 years to destroy, rebuild, then destroy the Temple. Also we would have time to gather Israel from among the nations – and seal the 144,000…(why do you think God was so careful to supply the #’s of the converts in Acts?? )

I see a period like the 49 years (7 weeks) happening NEXT, when the Temple is rebuilt AGAIN… and then destroyed AGAIN, at the 70th week.